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augunrik | 1 year ago

Just let Signal operate via Satellites and you are fine: https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weltraumtheorie

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EGreg|1 year ago

No, you’re not fine.

They can ban that as well.

The only way anything can continue working in practice is if it’s decentralized, and served by different websites secured bu https rather than one app in one app store. Hard to take them all down.

Perhaps Moxie Marlinspike now better appreciates decentralization behind messengers. I have written here years ago as a response to him exactly this scenario: https://community.intercoin.app/t/web3-moxie-signal-telegram...

The thing with https of course is that the governments can insist that browsers include their backdoored certificates. But the browsers are large enough that it’s difficult to get them to do it. China’s Great Firewall probably can. But in order for that to happen they have to prevent packets encrypted with the non-backdoored certificate chain from being routed. That requires serious control over all the networks.

This is partly why I started Qbix. So people can host whatever they want on computers of their choice. Without this decentralization, the governments are two steps away from mandating ALL your voice conversations are scanned, transcribed and analyzed by AI at the edge. Microsoft Recall + message and voice scanning = 1 step away from total panopticon of everyone everywhere. And with superintelligent AIs doing precrime based on everyone’s conversations!

hellojesus|1 year ago

If CAs start to get backdoored, people can operate a la web of trust or other asymmetric protocol where the public key is posted on a public board and the server can verify its ownership of the private key without a third party other than the public notice. More work but should be doable.

hcfman|1 year ago

Could there be a way to do everything in JavaScript? I imagine the problem would be in the anchors of trust.