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doctor_phil | 1 year ago

I actually haven't tried Nix (or other nix-alternatives) yet. I've seen a lot of complaints about the language, but a lot of praise and love of the idea. I though Guix was the "main" competitor to nix, using a more mainstream language (Scheme). Is that still the case? How would Brioche compare against Guix if you are OK with both Scheme and Typescript as languages?

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rgoulter|1 year ago

> I've seen a lot of complaints about the language, but a lot of praise and love of the idea

I think when people say they like the idea of nix, they're referring to how it builds packages from programmatic package formulae into an isolated store (so e.g. you can easily have different programs running against different versions of dependencies), and the use cases this allows for. -- With an expressive language for describing packaging, you get stuff like declarative developer environments, or even declared Linux configuration with quick/easy rollback.

I think complaints about the language are partly from Nix being unusual enough that it takes time to get an intuition for the basics of how to write anything in it, but largely from the Nixpkgs (the large package repository the Nix package manager uses) being a large codebase, which grew organically with many contributors, with many similar-but-different solutions to problems, and sometimes the codebase is a bit too clever.

cmrdporcupine|1 year ago

Guix is the main competitor but it's also focused on free software so mainly excludes things that don't fit that licensing philosophy. Yes there are I believe repositories that maintain non-free things but ... Nix already doesn't have declarations for a lot of things. Guix even less so.