Adobe cannot be trusted. They force you to agree to the ToS even to stop using their apps!
You cannot even uninstall Adobe CC apps without using the Creative Cloud app, and you can't use the CC app without agreeing to the ToS.
I used CC mostly on my mac studio, but I had it also installed on a older windows machine.
I have cancelled my subscription, then cancelled my account; I had to agree to the ToS to uninstall them on mac studio. I discovered now the old installation on windows and I want to get rid of it, but I don't have an account anymore. I am stuck unable to uninstall their apps on all my computers and the software they provide to do so doesn't work.
On the one mac where I uninstalled it using their tools, it actually kept their software hidden on my machine and tried to reinstall it (found out via osquery). This is very shady behavior. Their installation software is basically a spyware.
Adobe's shenanigans are bad, but I put a lot of the blame here on Windows and its persistent refusal to implement a decent way to uninstall programs without using a vendor-provided binary/script.
It boggles my mind that Windows has no concept of "track what files and registry entries are from what apps, so we can uninstall apps even if the vendor is an asshole/malware distributor/etc", and the corollary "a page that shows what apps still have files or registry entries on the system".
This is worsened by heavy use of the registry, which allows apps to spread files all over the filesystem in a way that is very difficult for users to follow. It's further worsened by the uselessness of Task Manager (it's nearly unfit for purpose, especially considering the bizarre number of strange processes running on even a clean Windows install). Then add in opaque things like svchost.exe and it's very, very hard to tell whether there are any processes left over from an install.
Windows really needs to add better uninstall or cleanup tools for that kind of stuff. Maybe a way to audit what files and registry keys apps access, so users (or a tool) can cross-check them after an app is uninstalled. Maybe some kind of "this app has been running in the background but you haven't interacted with it in X months" info display. Maybe some kind of "you uninstalled app X but I found a folder named X in %appdata%" tools.
It really gives Windows a bad name that no one can trust that uninstalls of apps actually work.
Also, you can't claim you didn't violate your customer's NDA because Adobe said something in a blog post. It's the legal agreement that matters most in court.
1. Update ToS to give yourself expansive new capabilities
2. Publically state that you're not abusing those capabilities (in the present tense of course) to bury the story
3. In a year quietly turn it on in the backend with no public fuss. Preferably in a confusing incremental way so no one step feels too far and nobody with less than superhuman patience can keep track
Microsoft has gone through their version of the path before and will do it again with Recall. In a decade you will technically be able to disable cloud-recall, only on business windows versions, by editing a registry key every 24h.
Previously Adobe users are outraged over vague new policy's AI implications [1] (49 points, 1 day ago 21 comments)
Adobe responds to vocal uproar over new Terms of Service language [0] (24 points, 3 days ago)
They want to talk with me about my adblocker but I don’t have one. Orion is a zero telemetry browser.
dear Slate. I swear that I closed the tab and did not read anything behind your weneedtotalkaboutyouradblocker popup, scout’s honor. And I am not going to read the comments either
rlupi|1 year ago
You cannot even uninstall Adobe CC apps without using the Creative Cloud app, and you can't use the CC app without agreeing to the ToS.
I used CC mostly on my mac studio, but I had it also installed on a older windows machine. I have cancelled my subscription, then cancelled my account; I had to agree to the ToS to uninstall them on mac studio. I discovered now the old installation on windows and I want to get rid of it, but I don't have an account anymore. I am stuck unable to uninstall their apps on all my computers and the software they provide to do so doesn't work.
On the one mac where I uninstalled it using their tools, it actually kept their software hidden on my machine and tried to reinstall it (found out via osquery). This is very shady behavior. Their installation software is basically a spyware.
everforward|1 year ago
It boggles my mind that Windows has no concept of "track what files and registry entries are from what apps, so we can uninstall apps even if the vendor is an asshole/malware distributor/etc", and the corollary "a page that shows what apps still have files or registry entries on the system".
This is worsened by heavy use of the registry, which allows apps to spread files all over the filesystem in a way that is very difficult for users to follow. It's further worsened by the uselessness of Task Manager (it's nearly unfit for purpose, especially considering the bizarre number of strange processes running on even a clean Windows install). Then add in opaque things like svchost.exe and it's very, very hard to tell whether there are any processes left over from an install.
Windows really needs to add better uninstall or cleanup tools for that kind of stuff. Maybe a way to audit what files and registry keys apps access, so users (or a tool) can cross-check them after an app is uninstalled. Maybe some kind of "this app has been running in the background but you haven't interacted with it in X months" info display. Maybe some kind of "you uninstalled app X but I found a folder named X in %appdata%" tools.
It really gives Windows a bad name that no one can trust that uninstalls of apps actually work.
vsnf|1 year ago
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clipsy|1 year ago
recursivecaveat|1 year ago
2. Publically state that you're not abusing those capabilities (in the present tense of course) to bury the story
3. In a year quietly turn it on in the backend with no public fuss. Preferably in a confusing incremental way so no one step feels too far and nobody with less than superhuman patience can keep track
Microsoft has gone through their version of the path before and will do it again with Recall. In a decade you will technically be able to disable cloud-recall, only on business windows versions, by editing a registry key every 24h.
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gnabgib|1 year ago
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40605203
[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40619329
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mediumsmart|1 year ago
dear Slate. I swear that I closed the tab and did not read anything behind your weneedtotalkaboutyouradblocker popup, scout’s honor. And I am not going to read the comments either
JohnFen|1 year ago
threeseed|1 year ago
Because whenever there is an uproar it makes sense to wait for things to settle down and then start training on your images.
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