[Ajay-p]

Maybe this is unrelated but I refuse to do facial ID, or any type of facial verification. I don't want my phone, or any device that I am using, to record or analyze my features. Maybe that is nit picking a little but I am uncomfortable with all of it.

[akira2501]

There are plenty of ways for anyone to get a picture of my face. In particular, the State has a copy of my photograph, and almost certainly full motion video of me in the DMV getting said license.

I just don't like the fact that my face becomes a password. I'm usually not in a position to _obscure_ my face, so I have no chances to decide if my face should act as a password in any given moment or not.

So, if you hold the phone up to my face, and I look at it, it just unlocks. That's the opposite of "security."

[TylerE]

anyone in a position to do that is in position to torture you the old fashioned way.

https://xkcd.com/538/

[Renaud]

What do you object to exactly if the biometric data is on device only?

I’m not sure what is the privacy risk there. The apps that authenticate you don’t have access to biometric data.

The main risk I see is if that data was compromised and made available for something else, but I haven’t seen any breach of that that ended up being useful for anything?

Or maybe I missed something?

[Ajay-p]

I don't trust the device, the maker, the company behind the facial recognition technology, and you. If I give software access to analyzing my face it opens the door to overt and covert acts that further erode my privacy.

But really, I don't need a reason other than I'm uncomfortable with it. I worry about people who are comfortable with it..

[jzb]

Some folks may find collecting biometric data inherently creepy. I mean, yeah, there's also "what might happen when* it's leaked" but ... I just don't like it. It feels maximally invasive.

* These days, I'd assume when, not if.

[kjs3]

You can change a password, you can't change your face. Agreed that we have yet to see the mass-hack based on biometric data that generates the ohshit moment, but from a risk perspective 'it hasn't happened yet' is cold comfort.

[domador]

My own main objection is to biometric data being used as a password, since it is a publicly-viewable, likely-duplicatable password that can never be changed. My second objection is to the possibility of physical injury to me by someone that really wants to steal my credentials.

[shmeeed]

You are not alone.

And the day some manufacturer's database with 1.8 billion sets of facial data is going to get hacked and exposed, I'll feel pretty smug about it.

[ryaneager]

Except for the fact that Face ID is completely on device in the secure enclave and not even Apple can access the data stored there soooooo…..

[frizlab]

I don’t know for other brands but for FaceID the biometric data literally never leave the device…

[Electricniko]

"Scan complete. Smug look on face detected."

[wanderingstan]

The problem is that the face is critical to “normal” interactions. Thus the ChatGPT demo of using the camera to determine if you are speaking to it (or to someone else) to choose whether to respond.

If talking with AI becomes more mainstream, face detection will (at first) make the experience better.

[mamcx]

http://mercadolibre.com force this and I hate it so much.

[agtech_andy]

If you think this way, you should be covering up the camera lenses on all of your devices. It is happening everywhere already.

[Ajay-p]

Like Mark Zuckerburg, I do..

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/22/mark-zuck...

[fsflover]

I just use hardware kill switches on my phone and laptop.

[kypro]

If it's on device and the output is hashed I don't see much of a problem with it. I guess the question would be whether you can trust big tech companies / governments not to have some backdoor to the raw data and what your concern would be if they did have that data.

Here in the UK face ID is pretty common place so I must admit my phone having this data is probably the least of my concerns. For example, one guy I know can't buy his own groceries anymore because he stole some food products from one of our major supermarkets, and since all major supermarkets in the UK have linked facial id systems he's now effectively banned from all supermarkets lmao.

[paulddraper]

What about fingerprint?

[aadhavans]

Not OP, but I think the same concerns are present here as well. If anything, I would argue that they're magnified, since fingerprints are unique.

IMO, the issues surrounding biometrics stem from the fact that they define you, in a way that nothing else - not a name, not an address - can.

[1oooqooq]

congrats, grandpa you will not be able to buy a sim card in half the world, and soon in the usa.

[micahdeath]

Now you can buy esim cards.