[FriedrichN]

Nothing is the way forward. It's programming, we make stuff that does stuff. Preferably with stuff that makes making stuff that does stuff easier and with stuff that will be supported for a long time.

Maybe I'm too cynical, but whenever something is presented as some messianistic "way forward" I just think "ah yes, another way forward" but feel we're mostly moving laterally.

[ht85]

It is exactly that. We make stuff, problems arise, we make new stuff that does not suffer from said problems.

Because everything is a trade-off, new stuff creates new problems. Those are the problems complainers complain about, ignorant of their history.

The cycle then repeats.

Maybe I am not cynical enough but doing easy things from the past is completely trivial and doing unimaginable things from the past is not that hard anymore. Looks like the cycle has some forward momentum in the end!

[meiraleal]

React since 17 feels like coding with LLMs: it had a bug, they asked ChatGPT to fix it, it addes more bugs, they asked ChatGPT to fix all of them and now we have a useless piece of software completely unrelated with the initial solution

[anonzzzies]

But it all suffers. We have been doing web dev for 30 years and it all works fine, fast and scalable. I am not sure what other people are so obsessed with but we don’t have these issues.

[wordofx]

So if we use stuff to make stuff easier why are people still trying to bang nails in with a piece of glass by using react when easy was using html/css/js made easier with htmx?

[FriedrichN]

Well call me a heathen, but I've never even considered React. Instead I always generate HTML server side and spruce it up using a little JavaScript if necessary (I even use jQuery sometimes). It's reliable, works fast, easy to debug, requires little maintenance, doesn't require a build chain of >100K files of several hundreds of megabytes.

Of course I'm open to the possibility that I'm Doing It Wrong™.