[hackerlight]

US has to win the race because while it's true that it's no angel, it isn't an authoritarian dictatorship and there isn't an equivalence in how bad the world will end up for you and me if the authoritarian side wins the race. Monopoly power will get abused the most by the least democratic actors, which is China. We need multiple actors within the US to win to balance power. We don't need or want China to be one of the winners. There is no upside for humanity in that outcome.

The US policymakers have figured this out with their chip export ban. Techies on the other hand, probably more than half the people here, are so naive and clueless about the reality of the moment we are in, that they support open sourcing this tech, the opposite of what we need to be doing to secure our future prosperity and freedom. Open source almost anything, just not this. It gives too much future power to authoritarians. That risk overwhelms the smaller risks that open sourcing is supposed to alleviate.

[AYBABTME]

If anyone doubts this. Recent (<100y) leaders of China and Russia internally displaced and caused the death of large % of their population, for essentially fanciful ideological reasons.

[mr_toad]

You don’t need to be an autocracy to commit genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

[richrichie]

I am puzzled how it is OK to kill people of other countries, but not your own. US, China and Russia have all indulged in wanton mass killing of people. So that's an even keel for me.

The nuking of civilians and the abuse of supremacy post cold war show that the US cannot trusted to act morally and ethically in the absence of comparable adversaries. Possession of nukes by Russia and China clearly kept the US military adventures somewhat in check.

[hackerlight]

If it was liberal minded people like Deng as leader of China and Gorbachev as leader of Russia I would care a lot less and may even be in favor of open source despite their autocratic system. They'd be trending towards another Singapore at that point. Although I'd still be uneasy about it.

But I'm looking at the present moment and see too many similarities with the fascist dictatorships of the past. The nationalism, militarism, unreasonable border disputes and territorial claims and irredentist attitudes. The US just isn't that, despite their history.

[CRConrad]

> I am puzzled how it is OK to kill people of other countries, but not your own.

The former is rather universally regarded as regrettable, but sometims necessary: It's called "war". The latter, pretty much never.

Also, there are separate terms for slaying members of your own family, presumably because patri-, matri-, fratri- and infanticide are seen as even more egregious than "regular" homicide. Same concept, only expanded from person to populations -- from people to peoples -- seems to pretty much demand that killing your own population is seen as "less OK" than others.

[jazzyjackson]

Which countries will become authoritarian dictatorships on a 25 year timeline is not easily foreseeable.

[CRConrad]

> US has to win the race because while it's true that it's no angel, it isn't an authoritarian dictatorship

Yet.

[ericd]

Could you explain your point a bit more? You say you’re worried about them having a monopoly, but then say that’s why you don’t support open source models? Open models mean that no one has a monopoly, what am I not getting here?

[hackerlight]

Open sourcing benefits everyone equally. Given that the US is currently ahead, it's helping China to make gains relative to the US that would have been very difficult otherwise. It's leaking what should be state secrets without even needing the CCP to do the hard work of espionage.