[jstsch]

As a EU-citizen, I'm not happy with this legislation and enforcement. I choose Apple versus Android, because I want the safe and user friendly ecosystem Apple offers. Otherwise, it makes much more sense to go with Android. Those phones are much cheaper and are very much the same quality-wise (performance, screen, form factor...).

The same goes with iOS on iPad. I'm very happy that my parents can use those devices versus a Windows machine (or even a MacBook) and know that they are pretty much safe from malware.

Even now, I noticed that with the mandatory browser selection screen both my parents independently have moved on from built-in Safari to Chrome (independently), since that was the only browser name they know. And now they are in a much worse position privacy-wise than before. Which is certainly not in the spirit of the GDPR and DMA.

[lucianbr]

You're upset that your parents were free to make some choice that you feel is wrong, and you believe Apple should be allowed to take that choice away from them?

Honestly, I feel that Apple has completely brainwashed some people. Comments like yours abound, complaining about the dangers and disadvantages of freedom and choice. You're only a few words away from "freedom is slavery".

[matwood]

You're assuming the OPs parents made an informed choice. Chrome might be the only name they recognized so they picked it. Is Chrome really the best choice for them? Hard to know. A bunch of choices up front is also generally bad UX. Reasonable defaults that can be changed later are likely better for the average user.

[jstsch]

No, of course, everyone should be free to have the choice to install whichever software they want on devices that they own. E.g. put the phone in developer/hobbyist mode by connecting it with a USB cable to a PC, show some big fat warnings, and then allow all forms of sideloading. But it needs to be like a safety switch.

Then the matter of an informed browser choice. This is simply not a thing most regular people make or care about. Remember the Internet Explorer era? In this case, simply the most recognisable picture gets chosen (e.g. the only company that advertised their browser).

[EMIRELADERO]

How does other users' ability to install stuff outside of Apple's control impact your enjoyment of your devices?

[endisneigh]

The general argument is that the changes end up being annoying.

Simplest example would be 1st party apps only vs including 3rd party apps. Clearly there are implications around including 3rd party apps that would affect the operating system and thus user experience

[vsl]

See GDPR side effect of annoying banners everywhere even if I don't give a damn about my website visits information being processed, for how unintended consequences played out and made the web worse for everyone.

For DMA specifically, see Apple withholding Screen Mirroring (a feature I would enjoy tremendously) from EU for fear (IMHO quite reasonable) that the vaguely written DMA could be interpreted as requiring them to open mirroring to 3rd parties.

It's been just a few months and already DMA impacted my enjoyment of my devices, no?

[gbalduzzi]

> I choose Apple versus Android, because I want the safe and user friendly ecosystem Apple offers

And nobody wants to destroy the ecosystem. Just make it default, but not mandatory.

[Moldoteck]

as eu citizen i'm happy with it. I have both a pixel and an iphone and imo you can continue using app store apps if you are afraid of security (let's not dive into this argument, bc the statements about security in some cases are false), while others will use other app stores when/where they want, that's kinda the point, you as a user can decide what to do. If you are afraid about your grandma/kids installing something, I'm fairly sure there's(or will be) an option in settings to limit such actions. It's true that ppl do need more education related to digital privacy, on the other hand, who knows if chrome is much worse than safari, and if they use chrome on their laptops... chances are the data is already collected, if they use google - data is already collected.

[jdiez17]

> I choose Apple versus Android, because I want the safe and user friendly ecosystem Apple offers.

Me too.

> The same goes with iOS on iPad. I'm very happy that my parents can use those devices versus a Windows machine (or even a MacBook) and know that they are pretty much safe from malware.

iOS (and Android) are very different position, security-wise, than desktop operating systems (Windows, Linux, macOS) because of the strong application isolation and permissions system. On a desktop OS ~any software you run has access to ~all your files (https://xkcd.com/1200/). Even as a die-hard desktop Linux user, we have to recognize that Apple leads in platform security, both in mobile and on the desktop. Take a look at Hector Martin’s (from Asahi Linux) thoughts on this.

> both my parents independently have moved on from built-in Safari to Chrome (independently), since that was the only browser name they know. And now they are in a much worse position privacy-wise than before. Which is certainly not in the spirit of the GDPR and DMA.

Two thoughts here: 1) the point of the GDPR and DMA is to give people the choice. In my opinion, choice is good. 2) people choosing things that hinder their privacy because they “don’t know better” is, well, an education problem.

Of course the GDPR/ePrivacy directive is notorious for lax enforcement (it’s ramping up, though) of illegal techniques and dark patterns like making it more difficult to reject unnecessary spyware cookies than to accept them. I predict the same will happen with the DMA.

[arthur-st]

It’s worth noting that ePrivacy directive is an EU directive, in contrast to GDPR being an EU regulation.

Inconsistent enforcement is a feature of directives. The comment on the GDPR though is full-well valid.

[jstsch]

Downvotes for an alternate viewpoint, what is this, Reddit?

[gbalduzzi]

It's not an alternative viewpoint, it's just plain missing the point.

The strength of Apple products and their ecosystem does not require apple forcing a monopoly on payments in their ecosystem.

If they stop abusing their position, their products will be just as good and as secure. I don't see the correlation between the article linked and that comment

[layer8]

Downvotes on HN are (also) for mere disagreement:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=658691

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=392347

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=117171

[pstric]

Answers seem to imply the downvotes are for a naïve rather than alternate viewpoint.

[isleyaardvark]

This is a big enough forum that you will find anti-Apple posters that will reflexively downvote anything sympathetic to Apple.