[kzzzznot]

States do have secrets. And when those secrets are grave and destructive, their citizens have a right to know about them.

[sabarn01]

This is obviously false. All states have intelligence agencies military secretes ect.

[kzzzznot]

Of course they do. And where states' intelligence agencies or militaries overstep their mandates their citizens should know and act accordingly/

[Nasrudith]

We also say children have a right to mot be abused yet there are many child abusers....