[Arjuna144]

No no, Dawkins is just a old scientist and even though I admire him, he is just repeating the same old lines. These days there is research and qunatum effects in the structures of microtubelins was shown by other research groups also:

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acs.jpcb.3c07936

It is best to really do the research and not rely on people who already have made up their mind (that Dawkins guy for example seems like he really wants Materialism to be true).

[robbiep]

You’re already polling way over what you’ve just said, though.

There is no doubt that small structures exhibit quantum effects. There is absolutely no demonstrable relationship between small things exhibiting quantum effects and consciousness.

You give your whole game away when you say

’which is needed for consciousness to "limit" itself to an identity.’

This is actually mysticism. You’re already making absolutely extreme claims for what you believe consciousness to be.

It may well be that consciousness is ‘in the microtubules’. But today we have no evidence of this. Nor do we have effective understandings of why anaesthetic drugs work (as opposed to, say, our mechanistic understanding of how opioids cause analgesia, or other pharmapsychophysiological relationships).

Keep an open mind, but don’t let your brain fall out

[Arjuna144]

You are right, what I claimed is byond the current scope of science. It is a bit like saying 'A brain can "see" an apple even when the eyes are closed" (alluding to what we call "imagination"). You _know_ it can, but science can not prove it. It is based on your very own experience