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ricopags | 1 year ago

Never coded a GUI app but speaking of regressions:

As a heavy windows KB user, losing the ability to alt+letter all the things to /quickly/ navigate windows apps is incredibly frustrating.

I've read that Mac OS envy infiltrated the WinUI time and while some may prefer the aesthetics, on Windows 11 apps like mspaint I can no longer navigate anywhere near as quickly.

From milliseconds to multiple seconds.

I'm incensed at this change personally, and I feel totally confused by it from the perspective of MS. In the era of AI and automation, slower screen draw times will make a significant impact to performance and energy use. I hope someone like Mark Russinovich, Kevin Scott, or Satya Nadella will notice and change course.

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hobs|1 year ago

It's funny that you mentioned apple because their system shortcuts are integrated as hell and they even let you map them in the OS -> App level, way better than anything MS has ever shipped.

jwells89|1 year ago

Yep, among other things both Apple-unique and emacs-esque text navigation shortcuts are in every native textfield across all apps and anything that's a menu item in any app can have its shortcut key rebound in System Settings without any extra work on the part of third-party devs.

It's one of the reasons why longtime Mac users are disinclined towards non-native apps. Most don't bother to reproduce these behaviors, and so when you as a user go to reach for these features that you have muscle memory for and they're not there, it's like hitting a brick wall in the middle of your workflow and makes the app in question feel basic and unrefined.

ricopags|1 year ago

It's never been better than what MS had and if you think so you've never used the MS way as I do.

Alt+underlined letter with no menus opens opens whichever menu maps to that letter

After which any [unique, as they mostly are] underlined letter activates the press for that menu item.

There is no equivalent to the speed of this in OSX, even with third party software.

Very very happy to be proven wrong on this

Dwedit|1 year ago

At least you can hex-edit or resource-edit the Alt+Letter back into a standard windows button or menu that's missing an accelerator key. Just add the missing &.

vel0city|1 year ago

I'm confused by your alt key navigation in paint. I just opened paint and it still supports alt+key to do things in Paint.

ricopags|1 year ago

No it doesn't. Alt+space bring up the window system menu to restore/maximize/close?

Alt+f, a to save as?

Negative.