[gustavus]

DevOps like Agile was a beautiful idea with a coherent underlying well reasoned philosophy.

DevOps like Agile was then hacked to pieces and had its corpse paraded around by sleazy consultants and idiotic management that was told "you can save all this money on all your infrastructure people by making your developers do all the ops stuff to." And who doesn't like saving money on those useless crusty old system administrators that don't seem to do anything except whine for "more disk space" if they were so smart they would've prevented that outage la da t week where the logging volume filled up.

Finally the toolmakers sold the idea that DevOps was something you could buy. Just like the vendors convinced management that buy purchasing Jira you were now agile, now if you have a CI/CD pipeline you are now doing DevOps. But you still can't release without getting approval from the release committee and you can't actually provision a new host in the cloud until you have filled out the requsite approval forms, but key for some reason we uprooted our monolith and threw it on kubenetes so we are doing DevOps.

It really feels like relieving the Agile cycle all over again in every detail. Just wish I could figure out the next big fad so I could get in on this money printer.

PS. If you use the term DevSecOps or DevSecFinOps unironiclly your living proof the Dunning-Kruger effect.

[abofh]

It's always been the people, not the process. I've basically been the same sysadmin with a CS degree I've been since before I got a degree. I've been called a developer, a sysadmin, pool boy, IT, site reliability... It's all the same job - keep things scaling, running and watch the budget. Move the product forward by enabling the people who make the product. Occasionally be the adult in the room who knows how the sausage is made from the metal to the frontend.

People try and put a label on it to market it so they can sell it back to you.

My clients rarely know what I'm specifically I'm working on because I'm a technical grazer who just monitors the world looking for interesting problems - but they continue to pay me and I believe they extract a fairly positive value from me.

If I ever stuck to a single job title, they'd probably expect me to stop grazing - but that's what makes me happy and productive.

[chgs]

To me, agile is simply

People over process

Results over bluster

Flexibility over rigidity

[OJFord]

Which is painfully ironic, because as soon as somewhere starts 'doing agile' it's all about the (scrum) process, bluster abounds, and everything is in pretty rigid sprints, scope changes to be avoided, etc.

[ngc248]

Management just slaps agile onto everything nowadays. No time given for coming up with better solution, reducing tech debt. Most companies devolving into feature factories now. I call this methodology FRAGILE®

[BossingAround]

Until that director comes

Expecting results

Yesterday

[bregma]

Cowboys who can shoot with both hands. Got it.

[drewcoo]

how strange!

for me it has

always been

whatever the

highest paid person

wanted: "Agile"