[heisig]

Yes, the #. reader macro is one of the ways how you can achieve this in Common Lisp. Using the reader macro is also way more efficient because you don't awkwardly use your compiler as an interpreter for a weird subset of your actual language - you simply call to compiled code.

Seeing Greenspun's tenth rule [1] in action again and again is one of the weird things we Common Lisp programmers have to endure. I wish we would have more discussions on how to improve Lisp even further instead of trying to 'fix' C or C++ for the umpteenth time.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenspun%27s_tenth_rule

[ykonstant]

>I wish we would have more discussions on how to improve Lisp even further instead of trying to 'fix' C or C++ for the umpteenth time.

I agree one million percent; projects like SBCL are great, but my impression is that there are tons of improvements to be had in producing optimized code for modern processors (cache friendliness, SIMD, etc), GPU programming etc. I asked about efforts in those directions here and there, but did not get very clear answers.

[throw2353265]

I don’t know much about Common Lisp, but one of the times I evaluated it I wondered why it fairs so poorly in benchmarks[1], and as a complete noob I went and checked what sort of code it will produce for something completely trivial, like adding 2 fixnums. And oh my god:

  * (defun fx-add (x y)
      (declare (optimize (speed 3) (safety 0) (debug 0))
               (type fixnum x y))
      (+ x y))
  FX-ADD
  * (disassemble #'fx-add)
  ; disassembly for FX-ADD
  ; Size: 104 bytes. Origin: #x7005970068                       ; FX-ADD
  ; 68:       40FD4193         ASR NL0, R0, #1
  ; 6C:       00048B8B         ADD NL0, NL0, R1, ASR #1
  ; 70:       0A0000AB         ADDS R0, NL0, NL0
  ; 74:       E7010054         BVC L1
  ; 78:       BD2A00B9         STR WNULL, [THREAD, #40]         ; pseudo-atomic-bits
  ; 7C:       A97A47A9         LDP TMP, LR, [THREAD, #112]      ; mixed-tlab.{free-pointer, end-addr}
  ; 80:       2A410091         ADD R0, TMP, #16
  ; 84:       5F011EEB         CMP R0, LR
  ; 88:       C8010054         BHI L2
  ; 8C:       AA3A00F9         STR R0, [THREAD, #112]           ; mixed-tlab
  ; 90: L0:   2A3D0091         ADD R0, TMP, #15
  ; 94:       3E2280D2         MOVZ LR, #273
  ; 98:       3E0100A9         STP LR, NL0, [TMP]
  ; 9C:       BF3A03D5         DMB ISHST
  ; A0:       BF2A00B9         STR WZR, [THREAD, #40]           ; pseudo-atomic-bits
  ; A4:       BE2E40B9         LDR WLR, [THREAD, #44]           ; pseudo-atomic-bits
  ; A8:       5E0000B4         CBZ LR, L1
  ; AC:       200120D4         BRK #9                           ; Pending interrupt trap
  ; B0: L1:   FB031AAA         MOV CSP, CFP
  ; B4:       5A7B40A9         LDP CFP, LR, [CFP]
  ; B8:       BF0300F1         CMP NULL, #0
  ; BC:       C0035FD6         RET
  ; C0: L2:   090280D2         MOVZ TMP, #16
  ; C4:       2AFCFF58         LDR R0, #x7005970048             ; SB-VM::ALLOC-TRAMP
  ; C8:       40013FD6         BLR R0
  ; CC:       F1FFFF17         B L0
  NIL

Are you serious? This should be 1, max 2 instructions, with no branches and no memory use.

Furthermore, I’ve also decided to evaluate the debuggers available for Common Lisp. However, despite it being touted as a debugger-oriented language, I think the actual debuggers are pretty subpar, compared to debuggers available for C, C++, Java or .NET. No Common Lisp debugger supports watchpoints of any kind. If a given debugger supports breakpoints at all, they’re often done through wrapping code in code that triggers a breakpoint, or making this code run under interpreter instead of being native. Setting breakpoints in arbitrary code won’t work, it needs to be available as source code first. SBCL with SLIME doesn’t have a nice GUI where I could use the standard F[N] keys to step, continue, stop, etc. I don’t see any pane with live disassembly view. No live watch. LispWorks GUI on the other hand looks like a space station, where I struggle to orient myself. The only feature that is somewhat well-done is live code reload, but IMO it’s something far less important than well-implemented breakpoints and watchpoints in other languages, since the main thing I need the debugger for is to figure out what the hell a given piece of code is doing. Editing it is a completely secondary concern. And live code reload is also not unique to Common Lisp.

Debugger-wise, Java and .NET seem to be leading in quality, followed by C and C++.

[1]: Yes, I have read many comments about the alleged good performance of Common Lisp, but either authors of these comments live in a parallel reality with completely different benchmark results, or they’re comparing to Python. As such I treat those comments as urban legends.