[PlutoIsAPlanet]

> Eternal shame on Google for not insisting that Android would follow the "PC model" of the user being root on their own machine and DRM ..

To be fair to Google, banks don't usually allow you to download and generate EMV tokens to perform card transactions on your PC, which places a different set of security requirements (legal requirements too) on Android phones for things like Google Pay to exist.

[mschuster91]

Yeah then make a Secure Enclave application for that. But ffs I am sick and tired of playing cat and mouse with every random app that whines about my phone being rooted.

I might be less angry about that if there were a decent FULL backup solution for Android - with iOS I can do a backup and restore and almost everything will be restored, I think the sole exception is eSIM and Apple Pay because the secrets for that are in the SE. But for Android? Forget it, and there's enough games that don't even implement Google Play cloud-save integration. No way to backup these without root.