[explaininjs]

That is the belief that leads to evolutionism, not the exact definition of evolutionism. A necessary precondition.

I don’t have time to explain basic mathematics. Suffice to say, the concepts of changing over time and differentiating are very related. If you didn’t know that… that explains a lot I suppose.

I still don’t know what your point is, by the way. Maybe we should settle that.

[gjm11]

I have a PhD in pure mathematics from one of the world's great universities. If your best explanation for what's going on here is that I don't understand basic mathematics, then you need to think again.

(My current best-guess explanation for this conversation is that you don't understand basic mathematics and are just slinging words around in ways you hope will sound impressive. Maybe that's wrong and there's some actual mathematical/physical insight that you haven't successfully communicated to me, but if so then you ought to show us the details rather than simply waving your hands and trying to sound superior.)

I've made several points, almost all of which you have ignored in favour of (usually incorrect) nitpicking on side-issues. The other place where you complained of not knowing what my point was was a different bit of the discussion where we were talking about different things. I'm not going to try to re-explain every point I've attempted to make in this discussion, but very briefly:

In the other subthread, my point was that the only way for your statue-scenario to work (in the sense that an actual scientifically-minded person, as opposed to a stupid caricature-scientist out of the fantasies of creationists, would dismiss the possibility that some intelligent being created the statue) would be for someone or something with great power and cleverness to deliberately obfuscate all the evidence that there would be, in the ordinary actual world, that the statue was made by a person; and that if that's the sort of hypothesis you have to appeal to in order to claim that "creationism" and "evolutionism" are on some kind of equal footing, then you basically have to give up on the idea of ever having any real evidence for one thing over another.

(In the real world, of course that isn't the situation; what actually happened was that we looked at this thing-you're-analogizing-to-a-statue and sought to understand it more clearly, initially taking "intelligent design" as the default explanation, and the best explanations we could find surprisingly turned out not to involve any sort of designing intellect after all.)

In this one, my point is that (1) you originally tried to define evolutionism as "the worldview characterized by an axiomatic belief in the time invariance of physical laws" in contrast to "creationism, which posits non-differentiable physical behaviors", and (2) that is not in fact remotely what either of those words means, and (3) none of your mathematics-looking talk about this actually seems to make much mathematical sense. Specifically, (a) neither of those mathematical things either implies or is implied by the existence or nonexistence of God, or by the universe being or not being the creation of a God, or by God (if God there be) ever intervening in the universe; (b) the mathematical things you associate with "creationism" and "evolutionism" are pretty much completely independent of one another, as opposed to being some sort of opposites; (c) while you grudgingly admit the theoretical possibility of one of the other two possible combinations of them, the fourth is also possible so far as I can tell; (d) all of this looks to me as if you are slinging around words you do not understand deeply and hoping to make it sound as if there is something deeper to whatever variety of creationism you endorse than there actually is.

[explaininjs]

> You basically have to give up on the idea of ever having any real evidence for one thing over another

Exactly. We agree.

> best explanations we could find

We have no tested explanation of abiogenesis, chiefly. Among many other questions. Lots of theories that say “and throw your hands up and wave them around and wait 8 million years and tada, probably, idk”

God intervening in the universe is a potential source of sudden changes in the laws of physics. For instance changes that allow a man to walk on water or split a sea. Those changes are stepwise, they do not impact space time gradually. Thus non-differentiable. If the change was gradual, evolutionists would come up with a formula for it and say it magically is that way, for “reasons”. They might look at how their laws of gravity work and see that they aren’t right for galaxies, and say the reasons are “dark matter”, for example. I might say they’re God working exerting a differentiable influence, but those two are interchangeable, at least on the surface. It’s only the stepwise that is Godly.