[maxrecursion]

I work for government organization that is constantly audited and I've seen this play out over and over.

An important aspect I never see mentioned is most Cyber Security personnel don't have the technical experience to truly understand the systems they are assessing, they are, like you said, just pushing to check those compliance boxes.

I say this as someone who is currently in a Cyber Security role, unfortunately, as I'm coming to learn cyber roles suck. But this isn't a jab at those Cyber Security personnel's intelligence. It's literally impossible to understand multiple systems at a deep level, it takes employees working on those systems weeks to months to understand this stuff, and that's with them being in the loop. Cyber is always on the outside looking in, trying like hell to piece it all together.

Sorry for the rant. I just wanted to add on with my personal opinions on the cyber security framework being severely broken because I deal with it on a daily basis.

[Hizonner]

> It's literally impossible to understand multiple systems at a deep level,\

No, it's not. It takes above average intelligence, and major investment in actual education (not just "training"), and actual depth of experience, but it's not impossible.

[zmmmmm]

Do you think it comes from a fundamental misconception of how these roles should be structured? My take is that you just can't fundamentally assess technical elements from the outside unless they have been designed that way in the first place (for assessability). For example I educate my team that they have structure their git commits in a way that demonstrates their safety for audit / compliance purposes (never ever combine a high risk change with a low risk one, for example). That should go all the way up the chain. Failure to produce an auditable output is failure to produce an output that can be deployed.

[lokar]

Our compliance and security people turned up with an urgent request to patch out Linux kernels in AWS.

The pcmcia driver had a vuln

I don’t listen to them much anymore

[unethical_ban]

I know of an important company currently pushing to implement a redundant network data loss prevention solution, while they don't have persistent VPN enabled and multiple known misconfigurations of things that prevent web decryption working properly.

Because someone needs a checkbox.