[casperb]

I don’t think this is universally true. At least not here in the Netherlands, but even in visiting the US it does not feel like that everywhere.

I think it is very sad the moral standards are so low. I find that even harder when mixed with “why does the government get involved in everything?” attitude.

I also don’t lead my company of 27 people that way.

[standardUser]

Too often I see the attitude of "I can't believe a company would do that". Personally, I always believe it. We know companies will do everything within the law to make money, as is their purpose for being, and we also know they will break the law if they think they can get away with it. Not all companies all of the time, but we are fools if we don't expect it from some companies some of the time and on a consistent basis.

It actually reminds me of a Dutch policy (which may be apocryphal, please correct me) wherein prisoners in the Netherlands do not face further penalties for escape attempts because they are simply engaging in the only natural behavior we can expect from a person in a cage.

[casperb]

It is not “companies” but individuals. But yes, there are a lot of people that are only driven by greed and power. But not all by a long shot. I believe most of society would fail if everyone was doing the maximum they could get away with. So, there should be a lot of people that don’t seek the maximum they can get away with.

But I agree that a lot of companies are so big and so faceless, that they do too much bad stuff and lots of people in the company would just shrug it off with “it is not my job to say something”.

[rustcleaner]

>It actually reminds me of a Dutch policy (which may be apocryphal, please correct me) wherein prisoners in the Netherlands do not face further penalties for escape attempts because they are simply engaging in the only natural behavior we can expect from a person in a cage.

This is my philosophy as well, which is why I as a juror would be soft on "crimes against law enforcement" because being a cop is part hunter, and do you expect all your game to not attempt evasion?