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I mapped almost every USA traffic death in the 21st century

734 points| Bencarneiro | 1 year ago |roadway.report

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bigtoe416|1 year ago

I used to be a volunteer firefighter and I see some of the fatalities (but not all) on this map. Looking at one of them some of the information is quite accurate (type of accident, what caused it, age of person) while other information is not at all accurate (number of people in the car, if a seatbelt was in use). It's curious how some fairly important pieces of data can be quite wrong.

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

The data here is processed from NHTSA's FARS database. When someone dies in an accident, it gets input into a STATE reporting system, and FARS is manufactured by analyzing each state's individual record system. The feds consolidate all this data and publish a unified dataset annually. They say it's "a lot cheaper and just as good as collecting it themselves"

Additional errors are potentially produced from my own processing of the federal data, but those will be rooted out over time. Project being OS will hopefully help with that.

kevin_thibedeau|1 year ago

> It's curious how some fairly important pieces of data can be quite wrong.

I was nearly killed by a driver who disregarded the law and the police officer intentionally disabled his bodycam when interviewing a key witness, never questioned me, let the driver off with no tickets for his violations, and submitted a report with factual inaccuracies. Crooked cops don't have an interest in reporting the truth.

TomK32|1 year ago

There's an Austria paper that looked into the accident cause "speeding" (nicht angepasste Geschwindigkeit) means across the german-speaking countries. The results boiled down to "it depends" on the officer typing in the data as there aren't any reviews or such. There's good data on other accident aspects like the seat-belt-usage you mentioned (and it's shocking how many people die because they are too lazy to use their seat-belt) but those aren't down to subjective judgement on the spot.

Good data is needed as a few accident causes do tend to be common in certain road/location conditions and those can be fixed. For example while the total number of accidents on train crossing is low (15~20 fatalities per year) in Austria, all of them are the driver's fault and almost all (except for massive idiot drivers) can be fixed by installing automatic gates on all crossings.

dclowd9901|1 year ago

I was looking at an incident in my neighborhood. In our city, we have frequent incidents of elderly drivers killing pedestrians in motor vehicles. The incident in our neighborhood did not show a driver age but did show the pedestrian age. I cannot imagine why the driver age would not have been recorded in an incident like that (but their height and weight were).

throwaway2037|1 year ago

Can I a real question? How do personally deal with the trauma of responding to an accident with death(s)? I don't have the guts to do a job like that.

ekianjo|1 year ago

data sources are notoriously bad everywhere human entry is the processs

gymbeaux|1 year ago

I used to scrape the calls for service for my local PD, and the inaccuracies were considerable. Of course there were typos in addresses or cross-streets, but there were also inaccuracies with how the incident was classified (for example, a former coworker and friend said his neighbor called the cops on him in the middle of the night one day- I looked it up and it was classified as a domestic disturbance rather than a noise complaint).

Some records, like those involving child abuse, don’t show on their calls for service website at all, so that’s an entire group of data that we the public just don’t get to know about.

Government data is notorious for being dirty and inaccurate.

chao-|1 year ago

I had a similar, awful curiosity. Looked up the death of a friend. All of the details I ever learned (speeding, ran off road, jumped curb, hit a tree) are listed accurately here.

The claim that only 1 out of 5 deaths is even recorded on this map is sobering.

tonetegeatinst|1 year ago

Any idea what spicifly might be the possible causes for data errors? Like is every state using the exact same form? Are are people who filled them out trained how to do so correctly?

Falkon1313|1 year ago

Yeah, I checked one near me and it said EMS arrived 1 minute after being notified and victim was transported via EMS air. Time to arrive at hospital seems reasonable for an air transport from that spot though. So I guess the helicopter just happened to be idly hovering over the van at the time it went off the embankment?

davidw|1 year ago

Looks like where I live, deaths are more closely associated with big, wide, fast roads.

It's ironic that drivers get frustrated by smaller, narrower streets as not feeling very safe, but that uncomfortable feeling 1) slows people down and 2) keeps them on their toes in terms of looking out for hazards rather than feeling ok with driving fast and not paying as much attention.

screye|1 year ago

Traffic calming measures like lane narrowing have successfully been used in Europe for safety.

Drivers don't follow traffic rules. They follow the rules that appear to make sense for the scenario they're in.

No matter how many 15 mph speedlight signs you put up on a wide street, the driver will subconsciously speed through a wide street because the brain is stupid like that.

Want drivers to stop before the footpath, raise it up. It'll make them feel like they're off-the-road and they'll slow down.

Everything about cars is associated with perceptions.

Families buy heavy cars for the perception of safety, but instead have a vehicle that is harder to turn and is more likely to end up in a ditch. They buy taller vehicles to feel safe but have instead purchased a massive blindspot notorious for trampling over your own children. Unprotected bike lanes look like shoulder lanes you can serve into, and that's how drivers treat them.

You're absolutely correct about the feeling of discomfort when driving through narrow lanes.

The biggest lie we tell is that cars are safe. No, you're wielding the most lethal murder weapon in the country, with almost zero training and 1 mistake is all it takes to get a prison sentence.

They should feel uncomfortable.

Davidzheng|1 year ago

Are you weighing the deaths by use of the road. Otherwise it's not representative of danger level right

dhosek|1 year ago

We have what are called “stroads” in North America, which are very much what you’re describing.

I remember when I was a kid, they took Pershing Road on the Stickney-Berwyn (Illinois) border and changed the commercial parking from diagonal to parallel and increased the traffic flow from two lanes to four. I have no firm data, but I’m pretty sure that this increased accidents on the street as well as effectively killed the Stickney CBD on Pershing Road (I would guess at least a third of the storefronts are currently vacant and that’s ignoring buildings that were demolished and never replaced). And I’m not entirely sure what traffic benefit came out of increasing the flow along the street as it’s not really a good connector of anything in that stretch.

bkjelden|1 year ago

Speed kills.

A road where traffic moves at 30mph can be poorly designed and lead to lots of accidents, but so long as those accidents are not a vehicle hitting a pedestrian they're unlikely to be fatal.

A road where traffic moves at 70mph is another story.

ocschwar|1 year ago

One of the big ironies of all this is car insurance.

If you keep getting your car dinged on narrow roads, your insurance payouts will be larger than if you run over someone. Dings add up to a lot, but hitting a pedestrian maxes out the payout before the guy makes it out of the emergency room.

This is why Massachusetts drivers have a bad rep. Lots and lots of minor accidents in dense traffic. But MA itself it one of the safest places in the US

cperciva|1 year ago

Speed kills, but slowness eats lives in another way.

Which is worse, having a 1% chance of dying in a car accident, or spending an extra hour/day stuck in traffic? I think I might take the first option; it delivers a higher expected number of hours of life not stuck in traffic.

blackeyeblitzar|1 year ago

Speed and convenience also matters. I like big, fast, and wide roads because they let me and many others get to where we want to go quickly. It’s a trade off. We shouldn’t let “think of the children” safetyism decide what the balance is, since that line of thinking is extremist and does not consider what is at stake on the other side of the argument. Efforts to eliminate every last death on streets are a waste of time since we’ll never achieve perfection and roads are very safe already. The road diets made under that unrealistic goal are simply making everyone’s lives worse by causing us to spend more time on the roads in traffic.

newZWhoDis|1 year ago

>Looks like where I live, deaths are more closely associated with big, wide, fast roads.

This is sort of like saying “most child p*rn is transported by undersea fiber optic cables!”

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

OK holy jeez I think I got the server back up. We now have 8X the ram and I'm not sure how, but we broke postgres....

et-al|1 year ago

Not to sure how your backend is set up, but it looks like you're generating GeoJSON on the fly and the JSON serialization for this amount of data can be slow.

In typical HN fashion, I would suggest looking into using Tippecanoe to generate some vector tiles of the data and host that on S3. Then the DB can fall back to performing simple lookups via the accident ID. Filtering by time will need to move to the frontend, but that should be fine (if not, look into clustering the data at further zoom levels).

https://github.com/mapbox/tippecanoe

carderne|1 year ago

You’ve had some other recommendations already but I’d suggest also looking into FlatGeobuf [0] for this use case. Have a look at the MapLibre example with a 12GB example [1]. You don’t need a server at all (unlike MBTiles) and will be able to load far more points at once than your current solution. Can easily generate it with QGIS/GDAL/PostGIS. Not sure what your plans are for the project but would be happy to donate some time to get something like that working.

[0] https://github.com/flatgeobuf/flatgeobuf

[1] https://flatgeobuf.org/examples/maplibre/large.html

munch117|1 year ago

I was trying out different time periods (comparing 2003-2013 to 2013-2023, to see a rough trend), and I noticed that every click to change the year by one seemed to generate a refresh. Perhaps it would help to lower the load if you change the date selector widget to only refresh after the date selector is closed.

ppbjj|1 year ago

godspeed, soldier

winrid|1 year ago

Remember to increase the buffer pool size to use that ram!

NwtnsMthd|1 year ago

> I mapped almost every USA traffic death in the 21st century

Is your server on that list?

j/k, I’m sorry, I’ll see myself out XD

kazinator|1 year ago

Postgres didn't look both ways before stepping off the curb.

jac241|1 year ago

Strong work. Looking forward to / dreading the update with the 2023 and 2024 data that I've been more involved with. RIP to all of the young people in their late teens and 20s who made the mistake of using a road for anything other than driving. RIP to the older folks who got smoked just crossing the street. RIP to everyone else who didn't deserve to go. Hopefully there is traffic calming and reliable, frequent public transit in heaven.

Unfortunately this dataset doesn't include the, probably more frequent, severe TBIs. Surely wouldn't take many patients for the cost of a hemicraniectomy, 2 week neuro-ICU stay, trach/peg, and long term acute care stay to equal the cost of a few measures to slow drivers down. Not to mention lost earning/tax potential. Too bad it's not from the same budget.

Wear your seatbelt and a helmet and hopefully you can avoid the pain of your family having to have a surprise end-of-life discussion with me.

CalRobert|1 year ago

Car helmets should be a thing

iftheshoefitss|1 year ago

Idk if it’s me but I’ve noticed a lot of crashed cars idk if it’s the times or just one of those things you notice

RIP fr fr

johnnybzane|1 year ago

The number #1 cause of car crashes is the presence of cars. Walkable communities have less cars, therefore, less car crashes.

The city grid is mainly to blame. The city grid of most American cities is uniquely bad - filled with streets which run at right angles to each other.

Take a look at Brussels vs Queens New York. Brussels had 5 road deaths in one year. Queens New York averages 75/year. That's almost a 7x difference adjusted for population.

Brussels has as an extremely irregular and walkable grid. Queens, like Manhattan, is full of dumb dangerous straight-lined roads and 90 degree angles.

The more irregular the grid the lower the traffic fatalities (assuming you're in a high-income country).

Why do suburbs have cul-de-sacs? They have curves, and They are useless as roads. They force cars to slow down, and disincentivize automobile traffic. Ergo, less cars, and your kids might get away with playing in the street without getting hit.

Rip up the grid and build a walkable community. It won't be cheap. Upzone and lower property taxes for any private developer that builds affordable housing on a walkable grid in your city.

There's only one place in the United States that's trying - Culdesac Tempe in Arizona. Northeast/California NIMBYs won't let you dare try to fight off their localism. They vote. Do you vote?

nothercastle|1 year ago

Culdesac might work ok if you allow bike and pedestrian thoroughfare at the end point. Otherwise they are impossible to walk or bike due to long distances to get anywhere

systemtest|1 year ago

Car ownership in Brussels is 45% versus 62% in Queens, that is also a factor.

Number of traffic deaths in Brussels in strangely fluctuating, one year it's 6, the other it's 20+. Might be a COVID thing. Still less than Queens.

blincoln|1 year ago

Maybe I missed an alternative mode that's already present, but this feels like it would benefit enormously from a heatmap view, so that one could see where fatality hotspots are at a higher level before zooming in to examine specific locations.

acchow|1 year ago

This would just end up being a population density heat map, right?

massung|1 year ago

This is great! Plans for any filters?

For example, I can see the death in front of my house from a year ago, which was the driver suffering a heart attack while driving. He was the only victim and it wasn’t the crash that killed home.

Would love to be able to compare areas for things like:

- DUI - speeding/reckless driving - cycling victims - pedestrian victims - multiple vs single vehicle - medical cause

akira2501|1 year ago

I high recommend people get into NHTSA's FARS database. It's an old school GSA type database, so it's format is a little unusual, but you can hoist into an SQL table without much difficulty, and then you can ask and answer all of these questions.

They often include things like "path of accident" so you can even run queries and ask questions like "how many vehicles flipped over before crashing" or "how many passengers get ejected from the vehicle before dying" or even "how often are snow banks involved in crashes?"

Odd things last I checked in 2015:

More people die in Texas than California. In total. Not per capita.

Most people in Florida die between 7pm and 9pm which is far later than most other states.

Pedestrians usually die at night.

Anyways, a great database last I used it: https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data/fatality-analysis-report...

lukasb|1 year ago

Not loading right now, but if it doesn't already include it, would love to see this data normalized by the amount of vehicle traffic each location has, to get a better sense for which locations are dangerous vs just busy.

Karrot_Kream|1 year ago

I don't think that's right. We shouldn't think of death in terms of "deaths per mile" because human costs aren't amortized per mile. Every death is a death. Killing someone then driving in circles shouldn't make you a less dangerous driver.

jorgesborges|1 year ago

I'm not sure the intention here but in an addition to being an outstanding project it's also a hideous indictment of 21st century transportation. So much life lost as a result of apes clumsily manoeuvring heaps of metal across painted lines of asphalt.

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

Ok y'all I upgraded my linode to twice the RAM. I hope that helps a little with loading

lordswork|1 year ago

The background loads for me but then nothing (on mobile Android)

jonahx|1 year ago

Appreciated, but still not loading for me fwiw.

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

Ok I doubled it again wow

kranke155|1 year ago

Seems broken for me. Acessing from EU, I only get a few hits in San Francisco area.

Zak|1 year ago

The problem I'm seeing is that when I move or resize the map, it makes requests to *.tile.openstreetmap.org, but not to roadway.report/accidents_by_location_geojson. I checked with desktop Firefox and Chrome.

kart23|1 year ago

You can also query the database pretty easily here if the site isn't loading: https://cdan.dot.gov/query

zippergz|1 year ago

I get an error from that site too ("reporting engine is down!"). Is the site posted here directly querying the DOT database and knocking it offline, or just a coincidence?

markstos|1 year ago

I've done traffic crash analysis at a city-scale:

https://mark.stosberg.com/the-most-dangerous-intersections-f...

One thing that's striking at is that the fatality locations do nor correlate with the "highest crash rate" locations hardly at all.

The intersection where you are most likely to get hit has a high pedestrian volume and often (in theory) low speed traffic.

While the fatalities here are more likely to happen on high speed streets, sometimes in locations where no one expecting a pedestrian.

Put another way: if we were try to fund "fixes" for the locations with fatalities, it would be mostly locations with a single fatality at those locations, while we have plenty of locations that have several pedestrian-involved crashes per yet.

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

Lol ok I'm trying to get home and figure out why it's server error city (yikes)

WarOnPrivacy|1 year ago

We appreciate your diligence.

Please enjoy complimentary load death. Would you like that mapped?

youssefabdelm|1 year ago

Someone needs to Tufte-fy this. I don't know if it's the hug of death or not but when I zoom out, I don't see (what I assumed would be) a distribution of deaths, a sort of heatmap of occurences. Then if you add a time dimension with color or some other parameter, it could give us a sense of what areas are most dangerous to avoid. At the moment the pins / tooltips are not very ergonomic and they obscure more than they reveal.

liminalmilenial|1 year ago

Must be hug of death. Anyway, I recently made a video visualization of every fatal accident in 2022 by timeline and it ended up being over 8 minutes long because there were so many (over 39,000 events). It's sobering to realize how many people are losing their lives on the roadways each year. There's a fatal crash about every 10 to 15 minutes in the US alone.

mikeocool|1 year ago

Hey — this is really cool — though looks like it’s being hugged to death right now.

Assuming the data is being updated less often than hourly it should be relatively straight forward to generate a pmtiles tileset of the accident points, using either tippecanoe or planetiler — stick on something like s3, and have it basically scale infinitely.

Happy to help if needed!

Gigachad|1 year ago

While also getting billed infinitely

sizzle|1 year ago

Congrats, I wish I had this data over the years to avoid roads. I saw Waze had a feature for intersections that had higher accident rates.

Is there a way to use the data to get a percentage or score for how dangerous a freeway is between 2 points on a map or something? Suggest an alternate freeway or intersections?

gwbas1c|1 year ago

Does this work on Android at all? I just have a static image. Using Brave.

owlbite|1 year ago

The title on the image is also a link to the actual map. Took me a while to figure it out too.

nasseri|1 year ago

Thank you for putting this together. I live in an area that has terrible traffic patterns for pedestrians and I always suspected it had a higher than usual fatality density. Now I know for sure!

zoklet-enjoyer|1 year ago

My friend, Josh, died the day before he should have started 9th grade. His brother got into partying and eventually hard drugs, I suspect at least partly because of Josh's death. He died of a heroin overdose in 2018. I've known several other people who've died on the roads around my hometown but I don't see them on the map.

https://roadway.report/accidents/2003380044/

scrame|1 year ago

this doesn't work on mobile for me. tried in chrome and Firefox, but I just get the splash page.

kgeist|1 year ago

Same. Strangely, switching to Desktop site mode doesn't fix it.

system2|1 year ago

When I change the area it does not refresh. It would be nice to have a "search in this area" button just like google maps to refresh the viewport.

danglingptr|1 year ago

Very interesting. I can imagine this map would benefit from a different kind of visualization. Maybe a heatmap would better accentuate problematic areas.

nullhole|1 year ago

I've worked with stats in this area before and it's not pleasant. You can't escape the reality behind the numbers, not that you should.

jfoutz|1 year ago

Interesting.

At the moment it's very very slow.

I was able to eventually load and click through to see broad details about a crash.

Pretty impressive collection of data.

doublegreat|1 year ago

Would really be interested in aggregating some of these stats e.g. which vehicle is most common in these incidents.

rmason|1 year ago

It would be useful to be able to filter for season such as winter vs rest of the year and time of day. Quite sobering to look at clusters of deaths in your home area that you wouldn't have predicted. Love to know which roads to avoid in bad winter weather or when driving in the early AM hours.

mtgentry|1 year ago

I live in Los Angeles, and anytime there’s a hit and run on the news, they nearly always use footage OF the footage. That is, the news cameraman will simply film the screen of the computer or TV playing back the footage. It drives me crazy that they never use the source material.

lawgimenez|1 year ago

I don't get it, the pins are concentrated only in San Jose California. I am not in the US right now.

cool-RR|1 year ago

Bad UI. You need to double-click the desired area. Not sure what to do on mobile.

keepupgudwrk|1 year ago

What was your toolset for the analysis? Can’t see now because of HOD? Excited to see your data! I haven’t seen it yet but I imagine this is will be similar to the private actuarial structured data of a any car insurance company. By no means am I diminishing your efforts.

irjustin|1 year ago

As it stands, it's hard to draw meaningful insights other than "lots/few people died here".

Things that makes this difficult:

- Roads change overtime. Added stoplights, more lanes, added roundabouts. Dramatically change the rate.

- Volume of traffic. Deaths per cars would be interesting.

hrdwdmrbl|1 year ago

Also, there's no indication when a pin is 1 or multiple deaths

postscapes1|1 year ago

I have been looking for something like this. To clarify it doesn't show pedestrians or bikes hit by cars? ( I live near a stretch of road that I know has several white bike memorials but this does not see to not have them there..)

daemonologist|1 year ago

There's a pedestrian fatality on the map near me. Might be a problem with data gathering/consolidation - apparently data collection is done by individual states (and of course they're themselves distributing it out to a huge number of different counties/municipalities/PDs).

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

Data included is specifically 2001/01/01-2023-01-01 if that makes a difference.

waldothedog|1 year ago

Thanks for this, it’s a helpful visual that I deeply appreciate. It was weirder than I anticipated to see a best friend’s death reduced to an incident report.

PS you may need to explicitly search to get results returned (I did)

ProAm|1 year ago

Is it hugged to death? All I see is a background image on FF and Vivaldi?

aeuropean12|1 year ago

How about references to the data sources (NHTSA as mentioned by others) for credibility and less of a "spam" look? How about an About page?

The splash photos on that website says it all.

hahahacorn|1 year ago

Rather morbid, but I'm trying to find details for my 24 year old cousin who was struck and killed by a drunk driver in 2008(?). Somewhere in Texas.

Any plans to add search/filter functionality?

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

The best I have right now is place and time to find a specific incident, but yes I should be able to get some basic filters up soon

bonestamp2|1 year ago

Very cool. It would be awesome if you could lift some of the major contributors of the accident/death up to the top (wet conditions, driver was drinking, driving too fast, etc).

can16358p|1 year ago

So, is the whole webpage just a static JPEG image of a car crash?

dkga|1 year ago

This type of data just makes me dislike cars even more, and in particular the unnecessarily large ones we see in Americas and increasingly in Europe.

fitsumbelay|1 year ago

This is cool and heartening as a resident of Washington DC who's about bicycles Kinda curious how you're capturing my lat-lon tho ...

timzaman|1 year ago

Not sure what the data source is, but I crossed referenced with local news of pedestrian traffic deaths, and they aren't showing up on the map.

ray_v|1 year ago

Neat! Nearest traffic fatality to my house happened 22 years ago. Oddly it involved three women -- two in their late 70s and one in her late 90s.

xyst|1 year ago

already hn dos’d

edit: while u fix it, what’s the source of the data? Did you get it from all of the state DoTs or is there a single set from the fed?

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

It's all from the FARS database

hahamrfunnyguy|1 year ago

It would be great if there were pin colors for the different types of fatalities (pedestrian, cyclist, motorcyclists, etc)

xk3|1 year ago

This is interesting in of itself but it might be more useful if it was weighted for population (ie. traffic without deaths)

jppope|1 year ago

This is one of the most amazing things I've ever seen on Hacker News. Great work whoever did this!

miduil|1 year ago

Oh cool! This could be put into cars to make drivers more aware about endangering environments.

lukeasch21|1 year ago

I could be wrong on this one, but I vaguely remember Waze adding an alert like this recently.

tamimio|1 year ago

Great work! It would help too if there’s an overall statistics page for the whole period.

encom|1 year ago

All I see is a picture of a car crash. I guess the site's broken. Fitting image.

dheera|1 year ago

Is there a clean database of all accidents, not just fatalities, that can be downloaded?

Bencarneiro|1 year ago

I need to look into something called NEMSIS, but no not to my knowledge. Most states have injury records though.

colordrops|1 year ago

this is super fascinating. I'm sitting here with my kids going through accident after accident in our neighborhood and piecing together what happened for each one. Every report tells a detailed story. We can't stop.

nsriv|1 year ago

This is incredible work!

y-curious|1 year ago

Great job! I would love to see a writeup of how you did this!

markstos|1 year ago

Elsewhere, someone here linked to the national crash data set. Sounds like they used PostgreSQL/Postgis for the backend here to store the data. The web server grabbed it as GeoJSON and displayed with a mapping web framework like Leaflet.

I did a crash analysis locally using the QGIS desktop software for some display and analysis, as well as Node.js and the Turf.js library when custom code was needed for spatial analsyis:

https://mark.stosberg.com/the-most-dangerous-intersections-f...

BaudouinVH|1 year ago

my 2 cents : I had to view source to find the /testmap page. Maybe add a link that says "this way to the map" or something similar ?

pseudoshikhar|1 year ago

Is there a way get this data in form of a large graph?

cheschire|1 year ago

It already is. What is a map if not a large 2D graph?

Put another way, what are you imagining would replace the current X/Y axis and still be relevant to this project?

macrolime|1 year ago

I live in a similarly sized city to San Francisco in Northern Europe and San Francisco has almost two orders of magnitude more traffic deaths each year.

macrolime|1 year ago

For the downvoters, yes a slight exaggeration. The year I checked, 2019 was 1 vs around 30, so just slightly over an order of magnitude if you want.

jdwithit|1 year ago

US 287 between Fort Collins, CO and Laramie, WY is notoriously dangerous and your map certainly bears it out. Click on any random stretch and it is absolutely full of pins :( Crazy because it is a wide open rural highway for the most part where you can see for miles. But it's only one lane on either side which leads people to try to pass recklessly. Plus there are some sudden turns and changes in elevation. Connecting two college towns probably doesn't help, either.

Thanks for sharing (and good luck keeping the site up). It's the definition of morbidly interesting.

emsign|1 year ago

Horrible pic. That's all?

yalok|1 year ago

is it just me, or 101 is 2-3x more dangerous than 280 per this map in Bay Area? definitely more density of pins on 101 (you have to click to the center in between these 2 highways to see pins on both). It makes sense, since 280 is a bit less loaded, and built better, has full shoulder in most places.

The split to 85 going south on 101 is a very bad place - 7 pins very close together.

gcanyon|1 year ago

Am I the only person who spent a minute trying to scroll, trying to click, switching to a different browser, thinking the site was broken, checking back at HN to see what people said, and only then happening to mouse over the title and seeing that it got an underline and was a link?

_kb|1 year ago

Yes, but add touch-only device with no hover state indicator.

Without this comment I would have had zero ability to discover that interaction was required.

worksonmine|1 year ago

No you're not, your comment helped me understand.

nilsherzig|1 year ago

I saw this post a couple hours ago, thought the service was down and now I read this haha (no hover state on my phone :()

divan|1 year ago

Could you share how many times your comment was upvoted?

stevage|1 year ago

Yeah, it's that weird thing where someone will put an enormous amount of effort into a piece of work, then skimp on the "presenting this to the world" part because maybe they don't find that bit interesting.

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