[whearyou]

It’s a minor effort compared to the hundreds of millions Iran, China, and Russia have spent for a decade on influence operations.

Those get little air time in hard progressive or far right spaces since these anti liberal influence operations mostly promote hard progressive and far right perspectives.

[Ozzie_osman]

Whatever Iran, China, and Russia have done is also a minor effort compared to the billions spent by the US on influence operations.

[meowface]

Doubtful.

[mardifoufs]

How is that relevant in a discussion about Israel enabling cyber crimes and also having a massive propaganda wing that is working over time online?

Also, Russia and China aren't seen as allies by basically anyone in the west. But yeah, sure then we should treat Israel like we do Russia and China though, but I'm not sure you would.

[mdhb]

Can you give some examples or “hard progressive” influence ops that have come out of China, Russia or Iran?

That’s really in direct opposition to their stated aims and it just seems like a false equivalence.

[pjc50]

Struggling to imagine what a "hard progressive" space might look like or even why this is a bad thing.

(Twitter tankies are annoying, but mostly on their own initiative)

[t0lo]

Lemmy ml. Go there and you will understand why it might be a bad thing.

[Brechreiz]

anti liberal influence operations do not promote hard progressive perspectives.

[t0lo]

Their main goal is to break the wests spirit and culture. Russia is very culture driven in its policy and goals, with ukraine being largely ideological https://www.thesaturdaypaper.com.au/comment/topic/2024/06/29...

[brabel]

Wild guess: they could because the best way to make people more conservative is to make liberals look more and more extreme. These things go in cycles, when the pendulum shifts too far to the left or to the right, it tends to swiftly move back the other way, and so the cycle continues.

Example: the far right tries to depict the left as degenerates who want to make all children gay just because they support introducing LGBT+ friendly material to the school education. I'm sure some people buy that and hence become more inclined to reject the left, as who wants to "force" children to become homosexual, or transgender, right?!

Now, whether China/Russia are doing it or not, I have no idea, and I suspect no one here does. But even if they do, I have trouble seeing how they would be more capable than Europe and the US, who clearly also try pretty hard to promote their own values elsewhere, so they can hardly complain about others doing it.

[ajkfah]

Hundreds of millions, you say?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/10/sheldon-adel...

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/republican-mega-donor-adels...

I'm pro-Israel, but the current Israel government is widely called far right by the mainstream media, so I don't not know what to make of your comment at all.

If you talk about general influencing: It has been known for decades that the USSR and its successors have influence operations. No need to mention it. It would be interesting though to follow the money: Perhaps your innocent "liberal" mainstream operation that is anti-meritocracy and therefore undermines the West is financed by Russia.

[t0lo]

Does the current government seem to be the one its voter base voted for? I'm acutely aware of the backlash it's getting but I'm interested to know.

And anti meritocracy seems to be a very effective idea to push, I was more considering shattering faith in the future and changing policy personally.

Also account created 2 hours ago and only comment is on this israel post^