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wasyl | 1 year ago

Can you clarify which laws and opinions you have in mind?

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southernplaces7|1 year ago

Many examples abound. Don't be lazy and do a google search. Granted, many of those opinions that create grounds for legal sanction in the EU are disagreeable ones, but that's how freedom of expression as a real right works, it applies to the shit you don't like or want to hear, not just socially condoned opinions.

dxdm|1 year ago

> don't be lazy

You, too. This is not helping you get your point across, which I'm assuming was the reason you wrote your comment.

usr1106|1 year ago

Not OP of that particular statement, but in Germany you can get imprisoned for denying that holocaust has happened.

However, I would question whether denying historical facts is an opinion. There seem to be fewer cases of people demanding that the holocaust should be resumed. That I would call an opinion. I assume that it would lead to prison if repeated often enough, albeit based on a different law. Still, I am more willing to travel to such country than to a country requesting my passwords at the border. Call it illogical or not, it's my preference.

account42|1 year ago

> However, I would question whether denying historical facts is an opinion.

Historical facs have a tendency to change based on the current political climate. Which is to say, they are always more like opinions.

Although a better example would be insulting a police officer or politician, which can include as bening things as making fun of them on twitter. Granted, this is more a concern for citizens than it is for tourists so I agree with your assessment that the US border controls are a bigger threat to you as a traveller.

hiatus|1 year ago

Didn't a former Greek finance minister recently get banned from Germany for political reasons? In France it is illegal to deny the holocaust but legal to deny the Armenian genocide.

southernplaces7|1 year ago

One noteworthy example of how absurdly politicized these kinds of speech restriction laws can be. Was the mass slaughter of up to 1.5 million Armenian men, women and even little children and babies somehow qualitatively less grotesque? Or perhaps the speech law itself is a muddled, politically oriented idiocy.