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muggermuch | 1 year ago

I like this a lot!

But: I feel the more of these services come to being, the more likely it is that every website starts putting up gates to keep the bots away.

Sort of like a weird GenAI take on Cixin Liu's Dark Forest hypothesis (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_forest_hypothesis).

(Edited to add a reference.)

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marcellus23|1 year ago

Responding just because it's a pet peeve of mine: Cixin Liu did not invent the dark forest hypothesis. People were discussing it, and writing science fiction books about it, for decades before the 3BP books were published. Nothing against him, and he definitely helped popularize the concept, but I think it's incorrect to refer to it as "Cixin Liu's hypothesis".

sooheon|1 year ago

Was curious as a lover of the 3BP series, google gave me this:

"We've been sitting in our tree chirping like foolish birds for over a century now, wondering why no other birds answered. The galactic skies are full of hawks, that's why." (The Forge of God, Legend edition, 1989, pg 315).

Yeah, same concept and even the same imagery.

Source: https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/sci/physics/research/astro/people/...

dankwizard|1 year ago

But he is responsible for the name, not the concept. So yes it is Cixin Liu's Dark Forest hypothesis.

throw10920|1 year ago

> I feel the more of these services come to being, the more likely it is that every website starts putting up gates to keep the bots away

That's why we need microtransactions, because I'd rather be able to have both nice AI services and useful data repositories that they pull from, than have to choose just one. (and that one would be AI services, because you can't stop all the scrapers, so data sources will just keep tightening their restrictions)

pjc50|1 year ago

We're never going to have microtransactions because of microfraud - and AI makes this problem worse rather than better.