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valand | 1 year ago

Must or mustn't they filter customers is a matter of law.

However, putting the responsibility to mitigate this problem in its entirety is very inefficient and ineffective. If Cloudflare would have a team dedicated for this effort, bad actors would simply switch providers, beating $200k/year effort by couple clicks.

Notice that the malware ultimately takes effect when the user executes the file.

This sounds more like an interaction design problem that should be solved in the OS level; the OS interface is one of the logistical bottleneck for the malware delivery path.

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autoexec|1 year ago

Everyone running a service on the internet has a responsibility to prevent abuse of that service. They should all have and monitor an abuse@ address where they accept notifications about problems they're causing others and they should act on those notices within a reasonable amount of time. When someone fails in that responsibility they should/will get blocked.

I hadn't heard of trycloudflare.com before, but it's blocked on my network for now. If I need to, I can re-evaluate that later.

Anyone running a service online can get caught off guard and be taken advantage of by scammers and assholes. It's an opportunity to shore up your security and monitoring. The bad actors will eventually move on to abuse easier targets and that's fine. When they do that doesn't invalidate the work someone put into making sure their service wasn't being repeatedly/routinely used to harm others.

EnigmaFlare|1 year ago

That responsibility only goes as far as other people are willing to block them for not doing it. There's no law of the internet that says you have to, but if your customers can't access your service because their ISP or whatever blocked you, that's when it's your responsibility to yourself to clean it up. If you're too big to block, then it's OK to ignore abuse.

rocqua|1 year ago

There is a solution for this at the OS level. It's domain names, validated through DNS. Those let the user decide if they trust the other side of a connection.

Here cloudflare is showing they should nt be trusted, but because they are so big, we can't act on that. Blocking them would be bad, mocking them is the second best option.

tempest_|1 year ago

It isnt really "putting the responsibility to mitigate this problem in its entirety" on them so much as it is "putting the responsibility to mitigate this problem * on their service * "

Large software companies seem to enjoy passing the buck in recent years if it might impact their profitability which is fine but to say the could not do anything about it incorrect. It may not be feasible to do so an still operate the service but that doesnt mean it isnt possible.

valand|1 year ago

Ok. I might have misworded my answer, but assuming that cloudflare has to do more about this, what would it be?