[thepra]

Please forget about showing up physically, it's noble to think of "you really care" but in places with organized crime they have ways to count if those that depend on them come and vote for their "right" choice. It has been estimated that around 20-30% of IRL votes in Italy follow the organized crimes choice.

[tossandthrow]

You don't think this is even more pronounced if the criminals can keep af gun to your head in your own home when voting?

That said - I am yet to see any protocol that is resilient against not showing up IRL (due to the exact reason above).

[oivey]

Criminals showing up to your house, putting a gun to your head, and demanding your vote is a fantasy. You don’t need to defend against it because it’s a totally unscalable way to steal an election.

[mewpmewp2]

The digital platform would allow you to recast the vote after. Only the final vote counts. So unless you are kidnapped and guarded after rhe fact, it wouldn't work.

[mixmax]

since you have to be alone in the voting booth and your vote is anonymous it can't be bought.

You can say that you voted for X, but vote for Y and noone will ever be able to tell.

[aziaziazi]

In France vote choice are made by placing a predefined paper in an envelope. You enter the place, present an ID, take and envelope plus zero/one/several/all papers, go in the alone room to fill the envelope with the paper of your choice. You can take zero papers because some organiser will send them prior by post but it’s not always the case.

How does it work in Italie? I can picture easely how someone in the paper room can put pressure on you to only take one paper.

[ziofill]

Do you have a source for this 20-30%?

[romwell]

Please forget about showing up physically because conflatingl caring* with your ability to do things physically is ableist as fuck, and not all disabilities are visible and/or certifiable.

Please forget about showing up physically because setting up a polling station in a place where there's effectively no public transportation cuts off poor people from voting.

Please forget about showing up physically because mail voting works fine, paper ballots are already anonymous and verifiable, and we don't need to argue about why showing up in person is better for the umpteenth time (or that adding extra friction is not a good thing).

Please forget about showing up physically because that "you really care" nonsense is in the same vein as literally testing, and democracy isn't about excluding voters who don't care enough.

This line of thought is, frankly, disgusting, and I'm ashamed that this is tolerated here.

[gus_massa]

Here in Argentina, in some places there were a few types of fraud, for example chain voting. (I can't find local case, but see [1] [2].) People can be paid or coerced to participate in such a scheme.

The solution was that you get a signed envelope when you enter, go to a isolated room alone and put the ballot inside and they verify the signatures of the closed envelope before you vote.

With remote voting, nobody can check that people is alone when voting.

[1] https://crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/67486/what-is-cha...

[2] https://english.atlatszo.hu/2022/04/05/this-is-how-chain-vot...

[synecdoche]

The in person secret paper ballot voting system on voting day appears to be a system with some of the least drawbacks, which is likely why it has been so popular.

Mail-in systems work too, with their own set of benefits and drawbacks, and is used in combination with the above in some countries.

[codedokode]

> paper ballots are already anonymous and verifiable

I don't understand this part. What stops people responsible for giving out those ballots, from taking some of them and mail under someone's else name (for example, homeless person, drug addict etc)? You often need just several hundreds or thousands votes to win in a swinging state.