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deadmutex | 1 year ago

Please also consider that suburbs are often much cheaper to rent a 1800 sqft of living space (say a decent 3 BR 2 Bath) vs the city.

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jacobolus|1 year ago

That's true. Housing is expensive because the city is great and people want to live here, but the direct results of expensive housing are harmful to the society (and high rent is a kind of giant tax on all economic activity, raising prices in shops, restaurants, etc.).

It would be a significant benefit to the people of SF if the western half of the city were significantly upzoned with a lot of new housing construction here and throughout the Bay Area, and ideally rent and house prices cut by something like half (gradually rather than in a market crash), so that more of the people necessary to run the city could afford to live here.

yourapostasy|1 year ago

> (and high rent is a kind of giant tax on all economic activity, raising prices in shops, restaurants, etc.)

I’ve long pointed out to conversation mates IRL that for a technological civilization like ours, shelter costs are a straight deadweight, Tsiolkovsky rocket equation cost upon the innovation throughput that is the civilization’s lifeblood. In the U.S., healthcare pricing policies are as well, but that’s a different conversation. Both are stranded capital that need unlocking towards increasing the technological development pace.

But most people with mortgages are trapped like a monkey’s fist around a fruit in a jar, by the siren song of house appreciation.

I’d rather have fusion, life extension, solar system colonization, mind uploads and AGI sooner than be “rich” in real estate.

Tade0|1 year ago

> Housing is expensive because the city is great and people want to live here,

If by "great" you mean "where the jobs are" then I agree.

That has been the primary driving force behind urbanization since at least the industrial era.