Interestingly this wouldn't be allowed at my university:
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Student Recordings
14. Unless students are specifically required by the University under a programme of study or research to make recordings, prior consent by the member of University staff managing that activity will be required.
15. Only in exceptional circumstances will consent be given. An example of an exceptional circumstance could be where a student with a disability needs to make a personal recording. It is to be assumed that where consent is given the recording may only be used for private study. This will not allow for further copying or sharing with other students.
Right, I've talked to some students and they mentioned it. You may need to ask the professor's consent directly if you want to use the voice transcription features, though. You can also use it outside the class, like in group discussions with your colleagues to transcribe into text.
I'm a professor. At my school we would never let a student record us. Hell, the school had to force some of the teachers to give out their PPTs so the students could study them. Those profs responded by printing them 6 slides per page.
We also stopped using YouTube for anything more than 5 years ago when the first pre-LLM summary apps appeared online and when students complained about paying to watch YT. Same thing for podcasts.
The subjects I teach can all be taught on the board, so I am lucky.
Within the next 5 years we will be phasing out written evaluations and exams.
- on one side recording a typical frontal lesson is next to useless because a classic frontal lesson is meant to be listened during the speech itself, where the teacher surveil the class and change the narrative according to his/her own feeling of the class;
- on the other IMVHO it's about time to deeply rethink the lesson model. We have IT, a "relatively new" tool and it's about time to properly integrate it, meaning instead of classic lesson recorded and carefully tuned lectio magistralis TED-format alike. Students listen the alone, perhaps in the evening and alone, listen, replay, take notes etc. In high schools, in the subsequent morning they develop a lesson on what they have learnt and got randomly chosen to teach that lesson to their peers and teachers, using teachers questions to drive/correct/show missing parts of their learning, at the uni teachers will only be available for direct interaction for all questions, meaning a kind of one-to-one dialogue where the student learn alone and have someone to ask for anything, than classic exams where students notes assembled became a small book to refresh all already learnt.
Most people today fails to act alone, really understand basing themselves on memory and repetition, to crack this obscene state of thing IMVHO we must force people to be active instead of passive/interactive spectator, so on one side they really show their competences and on the other they really have to learn.
Is this because you are forced to prepare your own course material for every course you teach? Because this whole setup seems insane especially for supposedly standardised courses.
> Hell, the school had to force some of the teachers to give out their PPTs so the students could study them. Those profs responded by printing them 6 slides per page.
Why? I never got why this is made so hard. Isn't the transfer of knowledge the whole point?
If a prospective employee told me a story about how they used a note-taking app like this to optimize their school grade output I would be extremely worried for a lot of reasons and consider it a major red flag.
What would be encouraging is an app that does not REPLACE your note taking but rather amplifies the capabilities.
You must take notes to learn deep. Handwritten is very important.
You will miss some things, which an AI could be tracking and summarize
What I would consider valuable is an app that supplements your notes. It would need two components... the app you have now, and reading in the notes that you have taken. Then if you asked it to go deep on a particular note or section you took notes on, it could add to the notes that you took without stealing the important part of the learning process
I thought I was the only one who thought this way.
The process of note taking is what really helps me learn things. I think I'm slicing and dicing what I'm reading and imposing on it a structure that helps me create connections and get a deeper understanding. After this, I review the notes almost daily and the way I've written it, positions on the page etc. all help me recollect the material. Over time, it becomes reflexive and I can use that as a foundation to build the next layer of knowledge.
I can see AI tools as a great way to index large amounts of rarely used reference matter. e.g. To solve the "Yeah... I remember reading about that but I'm not exactly sure where". Then retrieve it and everything comes back.
I also see it as useful to quiz me on things which I think I've studied. But outside of that, I think such tools will not help learning but will hold one back. However, this is very dependent on the method of learning one uses.
I have been looking for good note taking for a while and this seems to tick all boxes, but I want to know at what price.
Spent good 30 minutes going through their website and product hunt launch and could not find any mention of pricing = totally lost me.
Replies on product hunt a very "robotic" and marketing oriented eg "Thank you for feedback, enjoy 3 days free trial!" but very little substance, and still no mention of pricing.
Thanks for the suggestion on adding pricing info on website. We offer a weekly plan ($4.99) and a yearly plan ($69.99) with a 3-day free trial of unlimited access. You can still try the app with 10 free credits for every new users to see if it meets your needs.
Taking notes is part of the process of learning. The first part is hearing the information from the professor. The second part is writing it down, either verbatim or paraphrasing. The third part is review. Having another person or program create the notes takes away at least two of these opportunities to learn information.
Missing a class here and there due to emergencies is perfectly acceptable. But having someone or something else take the notes for you because you think you’re too busy to attend class is cheating yourself.
Given that this is for college students I think it's fair to be particular about the grammar of the title of this post. Either it should be 'second-brain tool' or, if you must, Second Brain tool; as it stands it reads like youre building a second brain, and it's a tool. Confusing.
When I take notes, in particular by hand, I already start learning or at least forming some notions in my mind about the things that I man need to review. Note taking is already part of learning. So I am not sure that this tool is actually doing me a favor.
Do good grades equate to a good student, and a bad grade to a bad student?
I'm the kind of person who is easily distracted in class and often misses the point. Even with handwritten notes, I can't recall key points.
That's why I built the AI Notebook App. Designed for college students and ADHD-friendly, it captures everything you see and hear in class. Upload images, audio, PDFs, and web links. Consider it your second brain!
I aim to help students capture everything in class, organize it into notes with summaries, and even chat with AI to understand complex topics.
I'd like to ask for advice on reaching college students. I'm open to affiliate collaborations. Thank you!
The funny part is that the importance in taking notes is the physical aspect of the fine motor control associated with writing making it easier for you to remember what you wrote. Even pressing keys on a keyboard eliminates this factor.
> As traditional handwriting is progressively being replaced by digital devices, it is essential to investigate the implications for the human brain. Brain electrical activity was recorded in 36 university students as they were handwriting visually presented words using a digital pen and typewriting the words on a keyboard. Connectivity analyses were performed on EEG data recorded with a 256-channel sensor array. When writing by hand, brain connectivity patterns were far more elaborate than when typewriting on a keyboard, as shown by widespread theta/alpha connectivity coherence patterns between network hubs and nodes in parietal and central brain regions. Existing literature indicates that connectivity patterns in these brain areas and at such frequencies are crucial for memory formation and for encoding new information and, therefore, are beneficial for learning.
> Our findings suggest that the spatiotemporal pattern from visual and proprioceptive information obtained through the precisely controlled hand movements when using a pen, contribute extensively to the brain’s connectivity patterns that promote learning. We urge that children, from an early age, must be exposed to handwriting activities in school to establish the neuronal connectivity patterns that provide the brain with optimal conditions for learning.
I'm not sure making the note capturing less engaging and easier to ignore is going to be helpful for ADHD-i adjacent people. At least noting things down forces a single task to some degree.
Good students select and focus on the most relevant information in a class, and rehearse it for themselves or practice skills outside it. There is some limited evidence that making note taking easier or notes easier to read leads to worse memory for key material.
For my students with adhd, I’m honestly not sure more tech is the issue.
[+] [-] bcraven|1 year ago|reply
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Student Recordings
14. Unless students are specifically required by the University under a programme of study or research to make recordings, prior consent by the member of University staff managing that activity will be required.
15. Only in exceptional circumstances will consent be given. An example of an exceptional circumstance could be where a student with a disability needs to make a personal recording. It is to be assumed that where consent is given the recording may only be used for private study. This will not allow for further copying or sharing with other students.
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https://secretariat.leeds.ac.uk/policies-procedures-and-code...
[+] [-] iamatoool|1 year ago|reply
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[+] [-] bbbhltz|1 year ago|reply
We also stopped using YouTube for anything more than 5 years ago when the first pre-LLM summary apps appeared online and when students complained about paying to watch YT. Same thing for podcasts.
The subjects I teach can all be taught on the board, so I am lucky.
Within the next 5 years we will be phasing out written evaluations and exams.
[+] [-] kkfx|1 year ago|reply
- on one side recording a typical frontal lesson is next to useless because a classic frontal lesson is meant to be listened during the speech itself, where the teacher surveil the class and change the narrative according to his/her own feeling of the class;
- on the other IMVHO it's about time to deeply rethink the lesson model. We have IT, a "relatively new" tool and it's about time to properly integrate it, meaning instead of classic lesson recorded and carefully tuned lectio magistralis TED-format alike. Students listen the alone, perhaps in the evening and alone, listen, replay, take notes etc. In high schools, in the subsequent morning they develop a lesson on what they have learnt and got randomly chosen to teach that lesson to their peers and teachers, using teachers questions to drive/correct/show missing parts of their learning, at the uni teachers will only be available for direct interaction for all questions, meaning a kind of one-to-one dialogue where the student learn alone and have someone to ask for anything, than classic exams where students notes assembled became a small book to refresh all already learnt.
Most people today fails to act alone, really understand basing themselves on memory and repetition, to crack this obscene state of thing IMVHO we must force people to be active instead of passive/interactive spectator, so on one side they really show their competences and on the other they really have to learn.
[+] [-] taneq|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] viraptor|1 year ago|reply
Why? I never got why this is made so hard. Isn't the transfer of knowledge the whole point?
[+] [-] IAmPym|1 year ago|reply
What would be encouraging is an app that does not REPLACE your note taking but rather amplifies the capabilities.
You must take notes to learn deep. Handwritten is very important.
You will miss some things, which an AI could be tracking and summarize
What I would consider valuable is an app that supplements your notes. It would need two components... the app you have now, and reading in the notes that you have taken. Then if you asked it to go deep on a particular note or section you took notes on, it could add to the notes that you took without stealing the important part of the learning process
[+] [-] noufalibrahim|1 year ago|reply
The process of note taking is what really helps me learn things. I think I'm slicing and dicing what I'm reading and imposing on it a structure that helps me create connections and get a deeper understanding. After this, I review the notes almost daily and the way I've written it, positions on the page etc. all help me recollect the material. Over time, it becomes reflexive and I can use that as a foundation to build the next layer of knowledge.
I can see AI tools as a great way to index large amounts of rarely used reference matter. e.g. To solve the "Yeah... I remember reading about that but I'm not exactly sure where". Then retrieve it and everything comes back.
I also see it as useful to quiz me on things which I think I've studied. But outside of that, I think such tools will not help learning but will hold one back. However, this is very dependent on the method of learning one uses.
[+] [-] Tomino|1 year ago|reply
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[+] [-] drivingmenuts|1 year ago|reply
Missing a class here and there due to emergencies is perfectly acceptable. But having someone or something else take the notes for you because you think you’re too busy to attend class is cheating yourself.
[+] [-] nanna|1 year ago|reply
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[+] [-] disqard|1 year ago|reply
...however, I'm almost certain that you are not in their target demographic :)
[+] [-] jcmeyrignac|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] jimmySixDOF|1 year ago|reply
https://x.com/codexeditor/status/1820757626910855656?t=zkP6H...
[+] [-] sandykongkong|1 year ago|reply
I'm the kind of person who is easily distracted in class and often misses the point. Even with handwritten notes, I can't recall key points.
That's why I built the AI Notebook App. Designed for college students and ADHD-friendly, it captures everything you see and hear in class. Upload images, audio, PDFs, and web links. Consider it your second brain!
I aim to help students capture everything in class, organize it into notes with summaries, and even chat with AI to understand complex topics.
I'd like to ask for advice on reaching college students. I'm open to affiliate collaborations. Thank you!
[+] [-] vasco|1 year ago|reply
Edit: Let me get an actual source..
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10....
> As traditional handwriting is progressively being replaced by digital devices, it is essential to investigate the implications for the human brain. Brain electrical activity was recorded in 36 university students as they were handwriting visually presented words using a digital pen and typewriting the words on a keyboard. Connectivity analyses were performed on EEG data recorded with a 256-channel sensor array. When writing by hand, brain connectivity patterns were far more elaborate than when typewriting on a keyboard, as shown by widespread theta/alpha connectivity coherence patterns between network hubs and nodes in parietal and central brain regions. Existing literature indicates that connectivity patterns in these brain areas and at such frequencies are crucial for memory formation and for encoding new information and, therefore, are beneficial for learning.
> Our findings suggest that the spatiotemporal pattern from visual and proprioceptive information obtained through the precisely controlled hand movements when using a pen, contribute extensively to the brain’s connectivity patterns that promote learning. We urge that children, from an early age, must be exposed to handwriting activities in school to establish the neuronal connectivity patterns that provide the brain with optimal conditions for learning.
[+] [-] viraptor|1 year ago|reply
[+] [-] bigfudge|1 year ago|reply
For my students with adhd, I’m honestly not sure more tech is the issue.