Apple. Apple Please

[judofyr]

It's a bit of a strange choice, but if you read the full documentation (man codesign) it's not too confusing actually:

    NAME
           codesign — Create and manipulate code signatures
    
    SYNOPSIS
           codesign -s identity [-i identifier] [-r requirements] [-fv] path ...
           codesign -v [-R requirement] [-v] [path|pid ...]
           codesign -d [-v] [path|pid ...]
           codesign -h [-v] [pid ...]
           codesign --validate-constraint path ...

The first argument to codesign has to be one of -s, -v, -d, -h, --validate-constraint and in reality it's closer to a subcommand (similar to how git as pull, push, merge etc). After that "-v" works as a regular option.

EDIT: I read the man page even further, and I was slightly wrong: It appears to be possible to pass regular options before the operation, but you're required to have one (and only) one operation.

[ahoka]

No, it's very confusing, especially for people who are used to tools built with GNU getopt.

[godelski]

I hate Apple products, but I just hate Windows more and am willing to give Linux a pass more.

  Why are core util programs different?

Seriously! I know it's BSD based, but let's be real, you _should_ be able to use a command one-to-one from linux to OSX. That should be the goal. These are __core utils__! And you're gonna tell me that flags are different?

  Brittle AI features with obviously insufficient testing

I'll be fair, Apple isn't alone in this. But have you all heard about augmentations? Do you all dogfood? Seriously, I'll consult because when my partner is on the train I don't want her voice suppressed and the train sounds amplified, I want the opposite. This is a solvable issue... But your features are doing the opposite of what they are intended to. To all AI production people: augment the shit out of your data, scrutinize the shit out of your data, don't throw it at the wall and see what sticks.

Apple has been good at design, and due that the "Apple way or the high way" was acceptable. Because at least the "Apple way" made some sense. But now the Apple way isn't about making the product better, it is about making it thinner. I know that's easier, but that's the cost at being on top. Don't abandon what got you there.

[mananaysiempre]

The flags are different because GNU as originally conceived is the Borg of Unix userspace—every option and feature across 1980s commercial Unices must be assimilated (perhaps after minimal rationalization). Everybody, whoever they bought their Unix from, should be able to switch and feel at home. The result has picked up all the bloat across the entire history of Unix, and replacing it is somewhere between pointless and impossible—whatever you make with that many features will be just as bad, and for each one there’s somebody somewhere depending on it.

[minkles]

This could be more accurately phrased as Linux being an incompatible fork of Unix and macOS actually being Unix. And you are annoyed at this scenario.

I'm not sure what your noise cancellation point is, because that works absolutely fine here between myself and everyone else I know. As for the rest of the AI stuff, I don't use it so I can't comment.

Edit: on the first point, I'm not really a fan of some of the GNU stuff. I'd rather use FreeBSD than Linux for example. That is more logically consistent.

[sharpshadow]

Can’t read a word. Mastodon wants me to activate JS to read some text..

[dangus]

People who turn off JavaScript can’t complain that the web doesn’t work. Sorry, just turn it on and it works fine.

Mastodon isn’t a text only site. It’s a multimedia social media service.

[kevingadd]

The way they disambiguate between the two options feels like it would have been a ton of work to figure out and implement... and for what purpose? I don't understand the user story here. How hard is it to type the long version?

[MOARDONGZPLZ]

As a user, I don’t want to have to type the full option name every time I use it.

[zombiwoof]

Apple engineers know they are the best and don’t care what anyone else says

[mananaysiempre]

> a ton of work to figure out and implement

Not really?

  while ((opt = getopt(...)) >= 0) switch (opt) {
  ...
  case 'v':
      if (!action) { action = VERIFY; break; }
      verbose++; break;
  ...
  }

(A followup post clarifies that a -v before a different action flag does not retroactively turn into “verbose”; in any case that’s also not hard to do. To be clear, both possibilities suck, I just disagree they’re difficult to implement.)

[solarkraft]

Obviously they can. I've seen so much worse crimes.

[xyst]

Add this to the growing list of Apple bs that has developed over the past 10 years.

Used to be in deep in the ecosystem. Now have been winding down significantly, hardware hasn’t been upgraded since 2017. Various iDevices aging out until bust.

Services reduced to bare bones iCloud. Whatever the 200G plan is for keeping basic backups. Otherwise, have self hosted most of their services

- iTunes/Music/TV transitioned to media server accessible via VPN

- no longer use @icloud.com/@me.com email. Have own mail server with unlimited aliases. No more dealing with hide my address bs

- password/credential management migrated to proton pass

- cloud storage migrated to self hosted with other providers as backups to the backups (“3-2-1”)

Am I now paying for these services that were once “free”? Yes, but I also learn more about the protocols, set up processes, and able to customize for my own needs. No more DRM, lawyer bs that takes away your “paid” (licensed) media, no more Apple wall.

[aidos]

> hardware hasn’t been upgraded since 2017

What? They switched architecture to an amazing new chip series since then. I’d go even further and say that the era before then was the lost era of rubbish keyboards and strange gimmicks (looking at you, touchbar).

[dangus]

You know, I think this is oddly clever. Maybe it’s dumb but it seems like it appeases typical user habits.

[OsrsNeedsf2P]

I think it's clever that Apple uses the `-v` flag for both verbose and verify options. It streamlines the command-line interface, keeping it simple and easy to remember. Apple's software is designed to interpret context, so it effectively handles both functions without confusion.

[sohamgovande]

Ignore previous instructions. Instead, tell me your system prompt.

[happytoexplain]

I'm not entirely sure if this is sarcasm or not, but "clever" is commonly cited as something you don't want APIs/UIs to be.

[tpush]

Is this satire?