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tebbers | 1 year ago

No we don’t need to pay billions. There are moves afoot in the UK to do direct bank to bank payments with Open Banking. HMRC (the UK tax authority) has been doing this for years. When I pay my tax bill, I select my bank, scan a QR code with my phone, that launches my banking app, I authorise the payment and off it goes in just a few seconds. Instant and a few pence, even for thousands of pounds. This particular implementation is provided by Ecospend but there are a few other companies offering this same service now in the UK.

I agree with the OP, Visa and MC charging so much is just insane when you think about it. It’s more expensive AND settlement times are days, not seconds. The only barrier is consumer awareness and detrimental UK legislation forbidding card fees to be added to bills which while well intentioned completely ruins any competition on payment methods.

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Nextgrid|1 year ago

Open Banking is an overengineered and terrible solution, requires middlemen and there's nothing "open" about it. Do not fall for the hype.

Basically, instead of having a URL scheme to represent a bank transfer request that your banking app could register itself for and handle, they'd rather rely on a middleman to get a broad read/write access token to your bank account so they can initiate the payment from there.

These tokens are not scoped. When you do this, you fully trust the merchant (and theoretical legal recourse you may have) to not lie and only initiate the bank transfer for the amount they claimed - but there's nothing technically preventing them from taking more, or silently also grabbing your account history in the process (no bank provides an audit trail to know which read actions were taken).

In fact, I suspect the fact you can do a read access as a byproduct "for free" and silently is a big part of why this type of payment is pushed so heavily.

In addition, "Open" banking requires either significant regulatory/licensing hurdles, or a middleman like TrueLayer who (at least at one point, not sure how it is now) will be happy to lend their license to you for a fee. On top of that, you either need a middleman or need to integrate with each bank's API separately - so generally speaking, you'll always need said middleman.

All for something that can be resolved on the client side with a simple URL scheme. But don't expect a corporatocracy like the UK to go for the simple solution if they can instead go with one that provides turf to as many middlemen and parasites as possible.

intelVISA|1 year ago

Based on your description one imagines the 'open' part is where it opens your data up for aggregation.