[trte9343r4]

We already have safety rules, but those are ignored!

If you cycle into grocery store, you may get chased and attacked by dangerous dogs. Many people gave up cycling and jogging for that! And in grocery store more dogs and excrements! There are rules against all of that, yet it is widely ignored.

Lidars will get vandalized pretty fast, because they will impede flow of traffic. Or thugs will use it to stop passing vehicles to make kidnapping easy!

[ClumsyPilot]

> thugs will use it to stop passing vehicles to make kidnapping easy!

We already have this thing, it’s called a red light.

Is there a name for this, when people come up with a plausible sounding scenario for crime driven disaster, but it does not actually have basis in real world? The ‘razor blades in candy’ scares parents every Halloween but is completely made up and has never been reported.

Peter Thiel had a similar moment on Joe Rogan podcast where he explained his elaborate social theory based on how chimps behave, but got the basics of chimp behaviour totally wrong

TL DR: tech people suck at predicting human behaviour

[spacebanana7]

People do get kidnapped at traffic lights. Here's an incident of it happening in Florida a few months ago.

The ability to arbitrarily stop vehicles would be very useful for this kind of crime because it could be done in less crowded areas. And criminals could more readily select for expensive vehicles, young women or whatever else they're wanting.

[1] https://www.crimeonline.com/2024/04/12/video-florida-woman-a... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usuo0jOcHJA

[Noumenon72]

> Is there a name for this, when people come up with a plausible sounding scenario for crime driven disaster, but it does not actually have basis in real world?

It reminds me of Scott Alexander's "The Buying Things from a Store FAQ": https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/the-buying-things-from-a-st...

Also I agree with ChatGPT that it's midway between these two things:

> Urban legend: This is a widely circulated but false story or belief that often serves as a cautionary tale. The "razor blades in candy" story is a classic example, as it's a narrative that spreads fear but lacks evidence.

> Moral panic: This term refers to a situation where public fears and anxieties about a perceived threat (often related to crime or social issues) are exaggerated by the media or other influential sources, even though the threat may be minimal or non-existent. This can lead to widespread but unfounded concerns, like the Halloween candy scare.

[jjav]

> Is there a name for this, when people come up with a plausible sounding scenario for crime driven disaster, but it does not actually have basis in real world?

Movie plot threats:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/09/movie-plot_th...

[someguydave]

Dogs are a major problem in cities as people choose them over children

[DiggyJohnson]

Hey it’s you again! You were making a very similar point in a thread about cell phone bans in schools the other day.