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cryptoboy2283 | 1 year ago

The level of entitlement in this post is ridiculous.

Dude. You're just an engineer from an Engineering department of some company.

Nobody's gonna read & apply any special rules of communnicating with you, especially written by yourself (sic!)

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Leynos|1 year ago

It seems reasonable to me. I tell my reports to decline meeting requests unless the invitations include an agenda and a clear goal.

If you're asking for 30 minutes or an hour of someone's time, it is only common courtesy to tell them why.

If you send someone a message, don't just say "Hi". This is incredibly bad manners in the context of asynchronous communication. Give the recipient an opportunity to prioritize your message. You don't know what they are doing. They could be fire fighting. They could be tied up in a face-to-face conversation. They could be in deep flow. They might have three or four other messages to prioritize alongside yours.

If you don't give someone the information to make an appropriate prioritization decision, all you are doing is inducing anxiety.

This is all a matter of being kind and accommodating to your colleagues, enabling them to work with you effectively, and making it easier for them to help you.

Purposefully making your colleagues' lives more difficult is a recipe for an unpleasant working environment.

MaxikCZ|1 year ago

> don't just say "Hi"

Agree, but

> If you don't give someone the information to make an appropriate prioritization decision, all you are doing is inducing anxiety.

Disagree here. I used to think the same "why you only sayibg Hi and not what you want", but I realized it doesnt have to be my problem if I dont let it become one.

You said Hi? Expect a Hello from me sometimes during the day. You needed something urgent? "Why didnt you tell me?". A "Hi" isn't urgent, so I know I dont feel the burden of not being able to assign it a correct priority.

A lot of people have trouble recognizing when their teoubles are really other people troubles in disguise.

daghamm|1 year ago

"I tell my reports to decline meeting requests unless the invitations include an agenda and a clear goal."

We have a team that works this way 100% of the time, assuming the invitation is not coming from higher management.

They are always the last to deliver and the team with the most critical bugs. If you don't make time for back channel sync, you will become an isolated island and your product will eventually suffer.

wccrawford|1 year ago

I think what you're missing is that this isn't just this person's preferences. These are things that bother many, many engineers and don't provide any value compared to the alternative.

Good etiquette isn't common sense, and that's why there are books written about it for centuries.

prmoustache|1 year ago

> Nobody's gonna read & apply any special rules of communnicating with you, especially written by yourself (sic!)

On the other hand, you don't have to reply to those random "quick call" messages as well as videocalls without an agenda.

meowface|1 year ago

I think the core advice here is excellent and something I frequently think about when I receive requests for help, "can we hop on a quick call?", and "hi [name]" - but it's written extremely condescendingly and obnoxiously. This person seems intolerable to work with or interact with in general.

malux85|1 year ago

I thought this was excellent, and I would enjoy working with people like this