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benopal64 | 1 year ago

What about the people, in Russia, right now, that are actively creating culture?

Parties in control of a government are not the people of that country, they are only a small subset of the people from that country.

Unfortunately, some parties in control of countries think it is ethically or morally right to send children to kill other people's children.

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mopsi|1 year ago

> Parties in control of a government are not the people of that country

The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population, as do the underlying cultural narratives about Russian superiority that make the population turn blind eye to and even take pride in the suffering they cause to others.

You can kill the entire Russian leadership, and the population will just fill their empty seats with another batch of similar people. They have been doing so for the past five centuries. The creative class that perpetuates the narratives of exceptionalism (like Moscow being the Third Rome[1]) have a large role in setting up the environment for the looting, raping and murdering that takes place downstream. This is similar to how German naturalism directly fed into Nazism: idealization of "simple peasant life" led to the invasion of Poland, murder of Jews and enslavement of Poles, to fill Poland with farms where every German could have their piece of paradise.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow,_third_Rome

MrDisposable|1 year ago

> The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population

I may be an outlier, and this is obviously an anecdote, but in my entire social circle there are literally two people supporting the war. One is a hardcore Z fanatic living with his parents at almost 50, and the second one is an alcoholic (formerly a talented architect).

(Insert the obligatory anecdata disclaimer).

codedokode|1 year ago

> The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population

Let me give some armchair analytics about "overwhelming support". In the beginning Putin promised that there will be no mobilization, yet later he mobilized an unknown amount of people. Also, he passed the laws allowing to recruit convicts from prisons and people under investigation (they are sent to most dangerous and deadly missions, often without proper cover and evacuation). Also the government raised a reward for signing a contract from somewhere around $4 500 to $20 000, and the recruitment posters are literally on every bus stop. All of this means only one thing - there is not enough volunteers.

So if you make a street interview maybe most of the people will express their wholehearted support for special operation (especially given that expressing disagreement might put you in trouble), and maybe they will even give you strong arguments why it was inevitable and justified. After all, over 80% of voters voted for Putin. But why those 80% do not want to join the military and help their brothers and support their leader in the frontline?

But on the other hand, there are no significant protests against the war. There were some protests in the first days, but they were not numerous and after approximately 15,000 people were arrested, they stopped.

So while there might be many people expressing the support for the war, they prefer to support it from the safe distance. War is necessary but can we please send someone else there?

cyberax|1 year ago

> The war against Ukraine has overwhelming support among the population

That's not true. There's about 15-20% of the population that supports the war, about 15-20% of the population that opposes it, and the rest is completely demotivated and doesn't care.

surfingdino|1 year ago

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benterix|1 year ago

> absolutely love their tzars whoever they may be

I don't believe it's true at all. I frequent some Russian forums to get a general sentiment and although people are quite careful to be not too open so that they don't get in trouble, it's pretty clear that Putin is hated for getting the country in this deep shit.