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jpt4 | 1 year ago

If a person could unequivocally understand themselves without understanding their past, then the trivial understanding of mere knowledge of the past should have no impact on their current self-understanding capabilities. Thus, a person with ongoing amnesia, unable to form memories which extend beyond a day's context window, would have no disadvantage in terms of self-understanding.

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Bluestein|1 year ago

Further, history isn't just a series of events that happened long ago. It’s the story of how we - communities, nations, and civilizations have evolved over time. The experiences of previous generations shape the social, cultural, political, and economic structures that define a society today. Understanding this history allows a community to grasp why they are the way they are. For instance, the American Civil Rights Movement helps explain contemporary discussions on race in the United States. Without historical context, many aspects of the current social fabric would seem inexplicable or disconnected.-

Collective memory, as Halbwachs would have it, is like the shared pool of information and experiences held by a group of people. This collective memory is essential for maintaining cultural continuity across generations. When a community loses touch with its history, it risks losing the cohesion that binds its members together, which can lead to a sort of cultural amnesia. This concept isn’t just for nations; it applies to any group with a shared identity, including religious communities, ethnic groups, and even professional organizations.-

For example, indigenous communities often emphasize the importance of oral histories and traditions because these narratives carry the accumulated wisdom and identity of their people. If these stories are lost, so too is a sense of who they are as a distinct group.-

An understanding of history also allows a community to make informed decisions about the future. When people understand the causes and consequences of past events, they are better equipped to navigate present challenges. Santayana's quote, "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it," might sound like a cliché, but it's rooted in the idea that historical awareness helps societies avoid repeating the mistakes of the past. The European Union, for instance, was built on the memory of two world wars, which profoundly influenced its emphasis on cooperation and integration to prevent similar outcomes. Notwithstanding this whole mess in Ukraine ...

_a_a_a_|1 year ago

You've just made a whole load of claims this without backing any of them up. But okay, let's take one which does make sense:

> When people understand the causes and consequences of past events, they are better equipped to navigate present challenges

To a small degree. Most of this boils down to the bleeding obvious, like "avoid war when you can because it's hideously expensive", treat people with decency etc. is there really much more to it than that?

And you talk about cultural continuity – some of these continuities are not good, q.v. the Taliban. Also cultures change very rapidly – the kind of homophobia that was acceptable or even encouraged when I was a kid is now seen very much as a serious transgression or crime (speaking as a straight bloke, I'm glad it; I'm very glad things have changed). We haven't achieved gender parity in pay, we getting there. You can't stick your hands all over a woman as you could in the 60s and expect to get away with it (ditto good).

Well I don't know. I can't say I'm convinced by what you've written but I appreciate the answer anyway. Thanks.

082349872349872|1 year ago

> "The present is the past rolled up for action, and the past is the present unrolled for understanding." — AD/WJD

_a_a_a_|1 year ago

Makes sense. Understanding the past isn't necessary to understanding yourself is your argument, which seems largely reasonable.

jpt4|1 year ago

Can a person with amnesia understand themselves?