[sbsudbdjd]

Ppl's obsessions (on both sides) on taxes is so weird.

Governments can fund themselves in numerous ways, not just taxes. Either way you'll pay.

The key issue is do we want a federal government expenditure of 20-25% of the economy? I'd say no.

[amrocha]

This is such a stupid argument. Is your issue that the number is too high? Why? What’s the right number?

Should government spend 25% percent of GDP? Who cares. Governments shouldn’t aim for a specific number, they should spend enough to make sure full employment is achieved, according to saving desires and the private market’s appetite for investment.

Whatever the private market isn’t willing to invest, the government should take care of.

Whether that’s 10% or 50% is literally irrelevant.

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The government only gets money by skimming off the top of private enterprise. If the percentage is too high then there’s nothing left to skim and the system collapses, so yes we should care what the percentage is and we should want it to be as low as possible.

We should be demanding ruthless efficiency from the government, not dreaming up new ways for them to take our stuff.

[Loughla]

What other ways are there?

[sbsudbdjd]

Glad you asked. There's the obvious three ways to finance government:

- Taxes - debt financing - seignorage

The latter two aren't taxes, but people end up paying for the expenses anyway.

Governments can also plunder other country's money. While this sounds very Roman empire, it's still a thing. Case in point freezing another country's foreign exchange reserves, refusing to return their gold, confiscating the interest on the reserves, etc