One of the most damaging things israel has done (aside from killing entire school districts worth of children) has been the disastrous PR the jewish community.
Israelis basically go out of their way to tell everyone that they represent the will of all jews and will attack jews who object to this war. I know several jews personally who are horrified by whats going on in gaza including a few who are afraid to speak out because of the way more outspoken members of their community are being targeted. One I know was banned from a jewish reddit he frequented because he had the nerve to point out that palestinians used the watermelon because they were not allowed to display their flag.
But to also point out, nettenyahu himself funded Hamas's campaign so that they'd win against the PLO because nettenyahu himself is a staunch authoritarian and relies on the existential threat posed by israel's enemies in order to secure his power. Its a matter of record now that egypt had intel about the impending oct 7 attacks and warned Israel ahead of time only to have nettenyahu sit on that info and do nothing.
But what do I know, I'll probably be flagged for this post anyway.
im not sure how any of that refutes my statement that i find a "roleplay" of gaza cituation that excludes jewish perspective duplicitous
and what does being horrified with the goings on in gaza have to do with anything?
let me assure you there are plenty of israeli citizens who are equally horrified, yet should probably be included in a "roleplay" that purports to represent the conflict
> The larp concluded, and a half-hour decompression began. We talked about what had happened and what our characters might have done next, then sat for a live Zoom call with Fatima AbdulKarim, a Palestinian larper living in the West Bank. Fatima saw larp as a way for players to imagine what it’d be like to live in a similar situation as Gazans and to understand their feeling of injustice.
> It is worth noting at this point that Seaside Prison was co-created by Mohamad Rabah, a Palestinian. That doesn’t insulate it from criticism, but it should inform any questions about cultural appropriation. Nothing about the larp felt trivial. The larp might give players the false impression they know what it’s like to be in Gaza, but its alternate universe setting and the contextualising videos and Zoom call are all attempts to correct any such misapprehensions.
Of course Palestinians would probably feel more legitimate to make a larp about themselves. An Israeli could do the same to represent their side. If anything, I somewhat would find it quite beautiful to see two larp back to back trying to convey what each other feel. Maybe it would be a form of way to make each other come to an understanding.
Sadly, it is very much a childish vision.
If they roleplayed the Israeli side (and no, not "Jewish", those are not the same thing, all Jews are not stand-ins for Israel, thank you), someone like you would have dunked that they "spoke in their place"/"stole their voice" and had no legitimacy to do so.
(Oh, by the way, any indication that nobody roleplayed the Israeli side? Or are you just taking offense from supputations about something you know little about? Talk about "dunking" on "apriori"...)
> Oh, by the way, any indication that nobody roleplayed the Israeli side?
The description implies that nobody did:
> Seaside Prison is a Palestinian-Finnish-Norwegian larp that deals with the siege of Gaza trough an alternative reality setting where the situation on Åland Islands resembles that of real world Gaza. Two ordinary families live as neighbours in Marienhamn. Their family drama and wedding preparations are interrupted by bombings in which some of the family members are killed.
all jews are not stand ins for israel, which is why there have been tens of terror attacks on non-israel related jewish community centres/religious facilities and so on in the past month ,right?
so as preventative measure for "someone like me" complaining , your suggestion is to deny one of the sides in the conflict a voice completely?
cultofmetatron|1 year ago
Israelis basically go out of their way to tell everyone that they represent the will of all jews and will attack jews who object to this war. I know several jews personally who are horrified by whats going on in gaza including a few who are afraid to speak out because of the way more outspoken members of their community are being targeted. One I know was banned from a jewish reddit he frequented because he had the nerve to point out that palestinians used the watermelon because they were not allowed to display their flag.
But to also point out, nettenyahu himself funded Hamas's campaign so that they'd win against the PLO because nettenyahu himself is a staunch authoritarian and relies on the existential threat posed by israel's enemies in order to secure his power. Its a matter of record now that egypt had intel about the impending oct 7 attacks and warned Israel ahead of time only to have nettenyahu sit on that info and do nothing.
But what do I know, I'll probably be flagged for this post anyway.
saargrin|1 year ago
and what does being horrified with the goings on in gaza have to do with anything? let me assure you there are plenty of israeli citizens who are equally horrified, yet should probably be included in a "roleplay" that purports to represent the conflict
maeln|1 year ago
> The larp concluded, and a half-hour decompression began. We talked about what had happened and what our characters might have done next, then sat for a live Zoom call with Fatima AbdulKarim, a Palestinian larper living in the West Bank. Fatima saw larp as a way for players to imagine what it’d be like to live in a similar situation as Gazans and to understand their feeling of injustice.
> It is worth noting at this point that Seaside Prison was co-created by Mohamad Rabah, a Palestinian. That doesn’t insulate it from criticism, but it should inform any questions about cultural appropriation. Nothing about the larp felt trivial. The larp might give players the false impression they know what it’s like to be in Gaza, but its alternate universe setting and the contextualising videos and Zoom call are all attempts to correct any such misapprehensions.
Of course Palestinians would probably feel more legitimate to make a larp about themselves. An Israeli could do the same to represent their side. If anything, I somewhat would find it quite beautiful to see two larp back to back trying to convey what each other feel. Maybe it would be a form of way to make each other come to an understanding. Sadly, it is very much a childish vision.
aredox|1 year ago
(Oh, by the way, any indication that nobody roleplayed the Israeli side? Or are you just taking offense from supputations about something you know little about? Talk about "dunking" on "apriori"...)
sgift|1 year ago
The description implies that nobody did:
> Seaside Prison is a Palestinian-Finnish-Norwegian larp that deals with the siege of Gaza trough an alternative reality setting where the situation on Åland Islands resembles that of real world Gaza. Two ordinary families live as neighbours in Marienhamn. Their family drama and wedding preparations are interrupted by bombings in which some of the family members are killed.
(Copied from: https://www.nordicrpg.fi/immersion/programme/#seaside
saargrin|1 year ago
so as preventative measure for "someone like me" complaining , your suggestion is to deny one of the sides in the conflict a voice completely?
fair and balanced, arent you .
saargrin|1 year ago
you're welcome to present a better source