[cstuder]

So for 25$ a month I get access to ChatGPT and Claude offerings in addition to access to Kagi search. This sounds like a good deal, compared to the 20$/month access to ChatGPT only. Or am I missing something?

[bangaladore]

You can use something like OpenRouter, which lets you access essentially all commercially available models. Including open-source models. There are no rate limits.

You pay a different rate per model (OpenRouter shows the pricing transparently). You load your account with credits. I use it daily (undoubtedly far more than the average user) and loaded 50$ with credits five months ago, but I still have over 1/2 of it left.

I think it is hard to believe that Kagi would be any cheaper and have no rate limits.

[stavros]

Keep in mind that, while OpenRouter gives you the upstream price for OpenAI/Anthropic models (so you pay the same per token), there's a loading charge, so if you want to load $10 in credits you pay $12 or so.

This means that it's more expensive than calling OpenAI directly, even though they have the same price per token.

[SirYandi]

Just plug your API keys into a front end like https://github.com/enricoros/big-AGI and pay as you go for all commercially available models

[sergiotapia]

There's also BigAgi (really a weird ass name - probably hurting them) that is good for the same use case. Just paste in your API key and you get a really nice UI to chat through at-cost.

https://get.big-agi.com/

[hn_user2]

Chatblade cli is also worth checking out. No loading fees and you can pipe code results to files.

[cstuder]

Thanks for the hint, a usage based model looks way more attractive to me right now.

[Havoc]

OpenRouter absolutely does have rate limits:

https://openrouter.ai/docs/limits

...haven't had issues with them, but they are there

[lolinder]

Also, if you're already a Kagi Pro subscriber it's really only $15/mo more for access to both models. This is the first time I've actually been tempted by one of these subscription LLMs.

[eli]

It was a little janky when I tested it in beta and you don't get all the features of paying for ChatGPT directly (no multimodal, no DALL-E, etc) but otherwise yeah it's a good deal.

If you just want text chat with different models it's great.

[dvh]

You can not spend the $25 and you will save $25.

[moffkalast]

It's like Jensen said: The more you buy, the more you save! /s

[blackeyeblitzar]

What is the best paid service for private, anonymous, censorship free access to an LLM chatbot? Are there any that let you choose between multiple LLM backends to be able to compare answers or avoid being subject to secret system prompts, while still retaining privacy?

[mortos]

DuckDuckGo provides access to 4 different models for free and claims to retain privacy. Unfortunately it doesn't avoid the censorship in models.

Here's their blog post: https://www.spreadprivacy.com/ai-chat/

It's since been updated to include newer models: https://duckduckgo.com/duckduckgo-help-pages/aichat/

[t0bia_s]

https://chat.enqai.com/ - decentralised, uncensorable