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kdtsh | 1 year ago

It’s apples and oranges comparing a studio recording to a live performance.

Anyway, I think this is a similar divide to the performances of ‘Hurt’ by Nine Inch Nails and Johnny Cash. People come to each with their own preconceptions and their own taste, and ultimately both tracks explore different ground and express different things through the same composition.

It is all a matter of taste; for what it’s worth, I think no one has to think something is good, but I have a lot of time for people whose sense of taste lets them explore the ground that the artist tries to take them to and understand the artist on their level, whether they think one particular performance is better or worse than another by some metric.

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OskarS|1 year ago

One of my favorite Cash songs is The Mercy Seat, I just think it’s a masterpiece. And it’s SO Johnny Cash (religion! crime! last line twist!) that I was stunned when I recently looked it up and realized he didn’t write it, it’s a cover of a Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds song. The Nick Cave version is… fine? I mean, it’s good! But the Johnny Cash version is sublime, there’s no comparison.

Must have been a weird feeling for an artist to hear Johnny Cash is covering your song. On the one hand, he’s a legend who inspired you and who you worship, but also it has to be a bit of “oh shit, his version is going to be so much better than mine, isn’t it? Well, I guess it’s Johnny’s song now. ”

keybored|1 year ago

> Must have been a weird feeling for an artist to hear Johnny Cash is covering your song. On the one hand, he’s a legend who inspired you and who you worship, but also it has to be a bit of “oh shit, his version is going to be so much better than mine, isn’t it? Well, I guess it’s Johnny’s song now. ”

Pff.

Based on monthly listeners on Spotify Johnny Cash is bigger than both Nice Cave and Nine Inch Nails. So what kind of position do you put artists who are both less known and younger in when you cover their songs? Well factoring in respect and professionalism: deference is a likely outcome. “It’s his song now!” Ridiculous.

“Hurt” by Nine Inch Nails is fine I guess. “Hurt” by Cash is just an old man voice over a steel string guitar. Very monotone and dull. I heard it way before I heard the NiN version (naturally) and I never understood why people were taken by it.

Another example is “My Body is a Cage” by Arcade Fire. Peter Gabriel did a similarly boring cover: flat vocals (compare with the AF vocals reaching for the higher notes) over a dun-dun-dun piano which builds into a orchestral backing. I guess the instrumentation is comparable but the vocals are just okay. But the vocals are supposedly the wow-factor for such artists.

But AF has done at least one Peter Gabriel cover. So it goes both ways.

atombender|1 year ago

To me, cover songs often fall flat because it sounds like the cover artist is just reading someone else's lines as opposed to having a distinct voice.

For me, Cale's version sounds "lived in", if you will. He's taken the words and made them his. There's bitterness, hurt, humour, and real meaning imbued in each line. It's not elegant, it's a bit rough and raw. I think Cale is an underrated vocalist.

Other cover versions like Buckley's sound technically very proficient but slick and emotionally hollow.

draegtun|1 year ago

>> I think Cale is an underrated vocalist

I totally agree and more so on ballards.

The hairs on my back of my neck always stand up when I hear I Keep A Close Watch (especially the M:FANS version [1], but the original Helen of Troy version is also great [2] and there's plenty of wonderful live versions).

[1] https://youtu.be/d7wBvyrao8I [2] https://youtu.be/LoggPfL3dLU

ndepoel|1 year ago

The thing about Nine Inch Nails version of 'Hurt' is that it works best within the context of the album 'The Downward Spiral'. As a song by itself it's fine, but it doesn't really hit home unless you've been through the entire journey that the album takes you on. It segues right from the album's title track and maintains the noisy crackling from that song, making it feel incredibly fragile. It's a great way to cap off a very personal and self-reflective album, but take it out of that context and it's just, eh, pretty good I guess.

Johnny Cash's version takes the song and puts it into a new context, specifically as a reflection on Cash's own life and career. It hits very differently that way, and I think it's easier for people to relate to. Both versions are excellent in their own way, and I am grateful to Johnny Cash for bringing this song into the public consciousness.