[Wheaties466]

i can tell you that more often than not it will make 500% better espresso.

I've owned 5 machines from varying price categories and the number of features you get with a machine around ~1200 gets you the most consistent experience.

can you make a good shot of espresso with a ~250 euro machine? absolutely. can you make 2-5 back to back great shots? probably not. Can you use any bean you want and get a good shot? probably not.

its all about what you value in your experience.

[stiray]

Should I mention audiophiles? The first feeling when you turn on a new system, it will never come back, until you get an arguably better system...

And the rabbit hole is deep. How much did you pay for grinder?

I think this is worth (for espresso lover) far more than 1250 euro machine:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTFsBqhpLes&list=PLxz0FjZMVO...

[2muchcoffeeman]

Audiophiles are a bad analogy since you can setup a blind taste test of coffee equipment. And different people will make the same identifications. Which suggests that we all tasted the same thing. Where as you can’t tell the difference between cables.

I’m all for being skeptical, especially with something as subjective as taste.

But it always amuses me that people never bother to check their skepticism. Has it ever occurred to you that you might one day be wrong?

[klausa]

I find it cute that you think people arguing that 1250E is not that much for a quality espresso machine don't know Hoffman's videos like the back of their hands :)