[gibbetsandcrows]

Thanks, it sounds a little like zazen, but with makyo being the goal.

[swayvil]

Makyo? Seriously?

[gibbetsandcrows]

It sounds like the only difference between makyo and what you've experienced is whether you think it's 'real' or not...but I don't have a whole lot of detail to go on here, either. I'm not judging the 'realness', I'm just saying that two similar methods are producing similar results. At least subjectively.