The startup I co-founded (Adioso - YC W09 [1]) tried to do it, including having discussions with a travel insurance provider about offering "layover protection" - so that if one leg was delayed causing you to miss your onward leg(s), your costs are covered. Kiwi.com does this now.
We worked on it from about 2008 till 2013 then basically gave up, as it was too hard to offer a service that customers could really love and trust. (It wasn't for nought; the technology we developed was valuable, and the company was able to rebrand and pivot and now does important work for airlines to optimise loads and fares [2], though I left when the rebrand/pivot happened).
The thing that makes it hard to do is it's basically impossible to get all the flight inventory, including fares and seat availability, that's complete and up-to-date enough to deliver a service that customers can trust.
The engineering challenge is one thing - solving a multi-dimensional travelling salesman problem (price and distance/duration) highly repetitively - but you can solve that with enough smart engineers and "compute", which ITA did in the early 2000s, and on a smaller scale, our team did a decade later.
But you could build the most beautiful routing engine the universe has ever seen, and still have a user experience that's kind-of garbage because the industry just keeps the flight inventory data so locked down.
These days there are APIs and feeds available from the major distribution platforms - Sabre, Amadeus and Travelport, but it's still not comprehensive. You often still need to negotiate individual agreements with major airlines in order to be able to publish and sell their fares. And even then, many of the low-cost airlines (which are often most of interest to travellers who want to find the cheapest route and deal with self-transfer) are not available through these distributors, and some, like Southwest, have blanket refused to be on 3rd party search sites, only starting to relax that position very recently and only with the dominant platform [3]. Kiwi.com has only recently come to a partnership agreement with Ryanair [4] after being in legal battle with them for years [5]. (I hate the thought of having to be at war with your most important partners).
Others have mentioned Skyscanner, which was always the closest to us in what we were each trying to offer (we talked briefly with them about being acquired by them).
Right from the beginning when we got funded for Adioso, my mind became fixated on the thought "if only you get every single flight in the world loaded into one big graph database, what could you do with it?", but it turned out to be a very big "if".
Sorta, the real pain point is if anything needs changing on any of your tickets, it's a total PITA. I value 'less hassle' more than I do saving 5-20% of the airfare. For me Kiwi (and other middlemen like it) are a hard 'No'.
> You often still need to negotiate individual agreements with major airlines in order to be able to publish and sell their fares.
Out of curiosity, what's stopping you from just scraping/crawling this on a daily basis? I'm at a scale-up that offers a BI solution for the hospitality sector, and we scrape well into the tens of millions of data points per day using web crawlers.
They obviously don't want you to, so it's an ongoing cat and mouse game of integrations breaking, but once we we're established and had a customer base, the ability to negotiate data API agreements actually opened up. Especially if you have data to offer in return.
Adioso was amazing! It was the only flight search engine that let explore possible trips (rather than just looking up flights once you knew where you wanted to go) by searching for regions or "International".
The last few times I used Skyscanner, I was disappointed because their "database" was outdated. When I clicked on a flight from the search results, it took me to the airline's website, which then showed a higher price. Often, there's no official fare from the airline, and Skyscanner lists prices from third-party providers I don't really trust.
I'm finding Google Flights more reliable these days.
I still have fond memories of their legendary (pre-leetcode) coding challenges [0] posted on the T (they also hosted the Boston Lisp users group in the early 2000s which was filled with mind-blowingly incredibly brilliant people, everyone there seemed to be an expert in software and had a PhD in some other, non-related field)
Having worked a bit in the travel industry, I highly recommend that you never book through a third party (by all means use their search). Third party apps are not allowed by airlines to charge less than the airline and typically have abysmal customer service, and I can assure you any "add-ons" offered by a third party are ultimately a scam.
Disclaimer: I've worked for the OTA Hopper for 7+ years.
> Third party apps are not allowed by airlines to charge less than the airline
This is not necessarily true. OTAs are not allowed to list a price that undercuts the airline but there are definitely ways for them to undercut the price that the booker ends up paying e.g. offering credits that they can redeem on future flight bookings. In this scenario the airline still gets paid the full amount for the ticket and the OTA makes up the difference.
Airlines are fully within their right to withhold inventory from OTAs that do this, but that entirely depends on the relationship that the OTA has with the airline. In some cases airlines actually run discount campaigns through OTAs in order to capture a bit more market share or fill inventory that they're not seeing being booked through their first party website.
>I can assure you any "add-ons" offered by a third party are ultimately a scam
This is definitely not true. Any kind of insurance product offered by third parties are essentially just that. Hopper's "cancel for any reason" insurance is essentially paying a premium to make your ticket fully refundable. Typically airline inventory managers price refundable tickets at a fixed premium and there's an opportunity there for OTAs to essentially undercut that premium because it's a naive model.
> Third party apps are not allowed by airlines to charge less than the airline
Technically true in that they can't undercut the airline on the same fare class.
But there are many different fare classes and some of them are only offered via 3rd parties, so you can often get much better deals via e.g., Expedia than you can by going direct to the airline.
Just this year my family flew Melbourne-Madrid then Milan-Melbourne, both legs on Cathay, but this route was only available on Expedia (and maybe other OTAs too, I don't remember) - all I know was that it was impossible to even search for this route on Cathay's own website. We didn't have any issues, but if we did I don't know if I'd worry about Expedia's customer service being much worse than an airline's own service.
> Third party apps are not allowed by airlines to charge less than the airline
How come I regularly see third-party OTAs offer the same itineraries cheaper than the airline then?
Sometimes there's a mystery fee added just before payment, but not nearly always – and I've flown such itineraries once or twice myself (if the difference was significant and I was absolutely certain I wouldn't need any change or extra service).
I was under the impression that these effectively share part of their agent fee with the traveler as a form of kickback (to appear as the cheapest option in search, which in the end might end up a win-win for both).
Airlines own systems are often awful UI and in case of some asian low costers your data is immediately sold to spammers (and they collect as much your data as they can too).
Depends on exact case but if traveling on a budget going with low costers and connections a good third party can be better than an unknown shitty airline's system.
I used Expedia a few years back, got a lower price and could cancel for full refund within a day but they probably don't do that anymore. Kiwi seemed okay. Ctrip now owned by China.
> Amazingly, the graph diameter is often as high as 20: there are airports that can take 20 flights minimum to get between
I wonder if that's still true. It's hard to imagine. And just the thought of having to optimize that search function made my cortisol levels spike a bit.
Never book anywhere else but the airline website. It's not worth it, these days. There might be some deals but when and no longer if, IRROPS happens you will face an uphill battle to fix your problem playing a triangle between the airline and the OTA you booked with. Flying has changed: past covid and Boeing-being-shit-revealed there are not enough long range planes, in Europe because of the Ukrainian war Hungarian ATC is overwhelmed which creates ripple effects all over and nothing is on time. And that's just the regions I know about. https://travel.stackexchange.com/q/174173 has more.
One search feature I wanted was a way to look up a list of all flights leaving an airport on a certain day.
In the early stages of vacation planning, it’s be fun to see a list of all possible direct flights to evaluate my options, but the use case of doing flight searches with an unknown destination isn’t too common. Basically, i want to be able to browse flights like a bus schedule and just see what the possibilities are from a particular start point
Google Flights does this really well - just leave the destination empty or use something generic, like Europe/USA. I do this all the time to find new places to go to.
You can get something similar from https://www.kayak.com/explore/ except the results are shown on a map rather than as a list: you specify an origin (and optionally a departure date) and the map shows price icons at all possible destinations.
You could use flightaware.com for this. Just search a date and a departure airport. The caveat is that the list will be fairly large, with a lot of repeats.
tomhoward is correct. It's called "virtual interlining". I started the team that built it at Hopper (started working on it in Fall 2020 and we launched our first version in Fall 2021). They're called Mix & Match fares on the Hopper app. It's a really hard problem. So hard that we didn't even try to solve the "best" flight. We used a bunch of heuristics to find what we believed would be "better" flights. We measured what we called "beat rate" which was the rate that a VI flight was the cheapest on our flight list. When I left the team, our beat rate was around 0.5 (so a VI flight was the cheapest half the time).
Adjacent plug for a free Chrome Extension: FlyOnTime embeds flight delay probability straight into Google Flights. Very useful when you're evaluating a number of flights from the same origin and destination but at different times.
One use case I’d love to see is the ability to find the best price for multiple city tickets.
I’m fairly flexible on dates, but getting the best price for it is a super iterative process. Having some similar functionality like excel’s solve function would be awesome to find optimal dates within a range for each destination.
In my experience, these tools have lost their value in the post-COVID world because the airlines have (a) collectively hiked their prices, and (b) have slashed and otherwise aggressively changed their route structure.
I spent many a happy hour <2020 on ITA Matrix. It was well worth learning as a tool back then despite its terse interface and tricky syntax.
But these days? The sorts of clever tricks you could do before are no longer viable for the reasons I outlined at the top, i.e. connections no longer exist and/or the price is no longer attractive.
And before anyone tries to tell me otherwise, my experience is bang up to date. What I said above is based on 2024 experience.
During COVID when nobody was flying fares dropped.
But today fares are the lowest they've been in the history of aviation, except for during COVID which should never be factored into trends.
Inflation-adjusted averages for fares, both overall and on specific routes, for the last 30 years are here: https://www.bts.gov/air-fares
Even with fees and taxes airfare is the lowest it's ever been.
Internationally the difference is even greater than the halving of US domestic ticket prices over the last 30 years.
The tricks no longer work because the bottom has been reached and there are no more pennies to pinch.
If one buys a ticket today, right now, for next month one can fly from DC to LA for $98-- round trip. Then they will complain about paying $30 for a bag....
I can fly first class from New York to Frankfurt for less than what an economy class ticket cost when I was visiting my Oma in the 80s and 90s and that's NOT adjusted for inflation.
I have long wanted to build an engine that let's you book a vacation on points. You connect all the points programs you have and it shows you how to leverage them to get the best deals on flights and hotels. The trick here is that you can transfer points from credit cards to some airlines and hotels, and sometimes the points are worth more when transferred. But, integrating with all these systems is the problem, and it's a big problem. Especially since there is no way any of the players want this to happen. Maybe it could be built as a browser plugin?
I've never understood the comments on all of the posts like this advising people to never book via a third party. Is it an American thing?
I've probably been on around 250 flights in the past 7 years in Europe and I can't remember one time that it was cheaper to book directly than through some third party. Sometimes it's the same price to book direct, but it doesn't matter either way: the support you're going to get is the same, and the insurance or whatever depends on... exactly whatever you've paid for already.
I think this is not true. In my limited experience, if you book a flight through a third party or even a code share agreement, you don’t get full access to the flying airline’s UI and things like changing your flight or dealing with cancellations are a real hassle.
Just last week I had an issue where I had booked an Iberia code share flight through American Airlines, but then Iberia bumped me from the flight onto an AA flight. Of course, both Iberia and AA support initially claimed it wasn’t their problem and that I needed to contact the other airline.
Maybe in Europe it’s not as much a problem because (1) modifiable flight tickets aren’t as common and (2) passenger rights in the case of delay and cancellations are stronger.
It's often slightly more expensive to book direct but if you want to e.g. buy extra baggage at a discounted online rate (i.e. not an airport mugging), there is no guarantee that a third party will have a UI for that.
The leading response does a good job calling out that this is pretty risky for the traveller. Similar to skip lagging, if anything goes wrong you can end up is a pretty difficult position.
Even if you have insurance that can cover the cost of the low cost connection ticket you just missed.. try buying a new ticket at the airport for that same day or same week even and you’ve now spent more than getting a regular ticket in the first place. And that regular ticket airline is responsible for getting you to your final destination.
I did some extreme budget flying as a youth and you might just get stranded at a random airport so you better be very flexible with your plans. If it’s inside the US maybe you’re fine to rent a car or take a bus or something but if you happened to layover in UAE or something then it gets trickier
Google built something amazing in Google Flights [1] (and they haven't ruined it yet).
It's no-nonsense, easy to filter by number of stops, and 'date grid' is great for scoping out savings by departing a day or two earlier/later without having open multiple tabs as other sites necessitate.
Only criticisms are extremely mild ones: it defaults to 'return', doesn't remember your currency, and bizarrely defaults to a month ahead for the departure date (actually, they must have very recently fixed this because it doesn't do that anymore!)
My biggest criticism of Google Flights is that sometimes the price it shows you is only available through some sketchy third party OTA based out of a foreign country that only offers support through email. Good luck if anything goes wrong or needs to be changed with your ticket.
They can; this usually shows up with a remark of "separate tickets".
There are considerable caveats when doing that – it's generally not advisable for connecting flights (you're essentially on the hook for missed connections etc.), and even just for separate outbound and return tickets it can mean trouble (e.g. if the outbound flight is cancelled, there is no obligation for the separate ticket to be refunded to you).
Most major airlines support this. Search for "Los Angeles" on Southwest, for example, and you can simultaneously choose from LAX, Burbank, Long Beach, Ontario, or any number of airports across the region.
I worked on this for tripstack a while ago. They offer it through their partners. Kiwi is the other one who made it a thing. Now it’s more common to see it all over.
[+] [-] tomhoward|1 year ago|reply
The startup I co-founded (Adioso - YC W09 [1]) tried to do it, including having discussions with a travel insurance provider about offering "layover protection" - so that if one leg was delayed causing you to miss your onward leg(s), your costs are covered. Kiwi.com does this now.
We worked on it from about 2008 till 2013 then basically gave up, as it was too hard to offer a service that customers could really love and trust. (It wasn't for nought; the technology we developed was valuable, and the company was able to rebrand and pivot and now does important work for airlines to optimise loads and fares [2], though I left when the rebrand/pivot happened).
The thing that makes it hard to do is it's basically impossible to get all the flight inventory, including fares and seat availability, that's complete and up-to-date enough to deliver a service that customers can trust.
The engineering challenge is one thing - solving a multi-dimensional travelling salesman problem (price and distance/duration) highly repetitively - but you can solve that with enough smart engineers and "compute", which ITA did in the early 2000s, and on a smaller scale, our team did a decade later.
But you could build the most beautiful routing engine the universe has ever seen, and still have a user experience that's kind-of garbage because the industry just keeps the flight inventory data so locked down.
These days there are APIs and feeds available from the major distribution platforms - Sabre, Amadeus and Travelport, but it's still not comprehensive. You often still need to negotiate individual agreements with major airlines in order to be able to publish and sell their fares. And even then, many of the low-cost airlines (which are often most of interest to travellers who want to find the cheapest route and deal with self-transfer) are not available through these distributors, and some, like Southwest, have blanket refused to be on 3rd party search sites, only starting to relax that position very recently and only with the dominant platform [3]. Kiwi.com has only recently come to a partnership agreement with Ryanair [4] after being in legal battle with them for years [5]. (I hate the thought of having to be at war with your most important partners).
Others have mentioned Skyscanner, which was always the closest to us in what we were each trying to offer (we talked briefly with them about being acquired by them).
Right from the beginning when we got funded for Adioso, my mind became fixated on the thought "if only you get every single flight in the world loaded into one big graph database, what could you do with it?", but it turned out to be a very big "if".
[1] https://techcrunch.com/2010/08/31/adioso/
[2] https://amadeus.com/en/blog/articles/creating-a-private-resa...
[3] https://www.forbes.com/sites/geoffwhitmore/2024/05/25/southw...
[4] https://media.kiwi.com/company-news/kiwi-com-and-ryanair-ann...
[5] https://www.travolution.com/news/kiwi.com-celebrates-three-w...
[+] [-] nomilk|1 year ago|reply
Sorta, the real pain point is if anything needs changing on any of your tickets, it's a total PITA. I value 'less hassle' more than I do saving 5-20% of the airfare. For me Kiwi (and other middlemen like it) are a hard 'No'.
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[+] [-] jonasdegendt|1 year ago|reply
Out of curiosity, what's stopping you from just scraping/crawling this on a daily basis? I'm at a scale-up that offers a BI solution for the hospitality sector, and we scrape well into the tens of millions of data points per day using web crawlers.
They obviously don't want you to, so it's an ongoing cat and mouse game of integrations breaking, but once we we're established and had a customer base, the ability to negotiate data API agreements actually opened up. Especially if you have data to offer in return.
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[+] [-] tcgv|1 year ago|reply
I'm finding Google Flights more reliable these days.
[+] [-] MichaelZuo|1 year ago|reply
At the very least it would make more sense to let their own frequent flyers snag such deals.
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[+] [-] crystal_revenge|1 year ago|reply
I still have fond memories of their legendary (pre-leetcode) coding challenges [0] posted on the T (they also hosted the Boston Lisp users group in the early 2000s which was filled with mind-blowingly incredibly brilliant people, everyone there seemed to be an expert in software and had a PhD in some other, non-related field)
Having worked a bit in the travel industry, I highly recommend that you never book through a third party (by all means use their search). Third party apps are not allowed by airlines to charge less than the airline and typically have abysmal customer service, and I can assure you any "add-ons" offered by a third party are ultimately a scam.
0. https://github.com/mattbraz/ita-puzzles
[+] [-] rockostrich|1 year ago|reply
> Third party apps are not allowed by airlines to charge less than the airline
This is not necessarily true. OTAs are not allowed to list a price that undercuts the airline but there are definitely ways for them to undercut the price that the booker ends up paying e.g. offering credits that they can redeem on future flight bookings. In this scenario the airline still gets paid the full amount for the ticket and the OTA makes up the difference.
Airlines are fully within their right to withhold inventory from OTAs that do this, but that entirely depends on the relationship that the OTA has with the airline. In some cases airlines actually run discount campaigns through OTAs in order to capture a bit more market share or fill inventory that they're not seeing being booked through their first party website.
>I can assure you any "add-ons" offered by a third party are ultimately a scam
This is definitely not true. Any kind of insurance product offered by third parties are essentially just that. Hopper's "cancel for any reason" insurance is essentially paying a premium to make your ticket fully refundable. Typically airline inventory managers price refundable tickets at a fixed premium and there's an opportunity there for OTAs to essentially undercut that premium because it's a naive model.
[+] [-] tomhoward|1 year ago|reply
Technically true in that they can't undercut the airline on the same fare class.
But there are many different fare classes and some of them are only offered via 3rd parties, so you can often get much better deals via e.g., Expedia than you can by going direct to the airline.
Just this year my family flew Melbourne-Madrid then Milan-Melbourne, both legs on Cathay, but this route was only available on Expedia (and maybe other OTAs too, I don't remember) - all I know was that it was impossible to even search for this route on Cathay's own website. We didn't have any issues, but if we did I don't know if I'd worry about Expedia's customer service being much worse than an airline's own service.
[+] [-] lxgr|1 year ago|reply
How come I regularly see third-party OTAs offer the same itineraries cheaper than the airline then?
Sometimes there's a mystery fee added just before payment, but not nearly always – and I've flown such itineraries once or twice myself (if the difference was significant and I was absolutely certain I wouldn't need any change or extra service).
I was under the impression that these effectively share part of their agent fee with the traveler as a form of kickback (to appear as the cheapest option in search, which in the end might end up a win-win for both).
[+] [-] throwaway290|1 year ago|reply
Depends on exact case but if traveling on a budget going with low costers and connections a good third party can be better than an unknown shitty airline's system.
I used Expedia a few years back, got a lower price and could cancel for full refund within a day but they probably don't do that anymore. Kiwi seemed okay. Ctrip now owned by China.
[+] [-] sho|1 year ago|reply
> Amazingly, the graph diameter is often as high as 20: there are airports that can take 20 flights minimum to get between
I wonder if that's still true. It's hard to imagine. And just the thought of having to optimize that search function made my cortisol levels spike a bit.
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[+] [-] parpfish|1 year ago|reply
In the early stages of vacation planning, it’s be fun to see a list of all possible direct flights to evaluate my options, but the use case of doing flight searches with an unknown destination isn’t too common. Basically, i want to be able to browse flights like a bus schedule and just see what the possibilities are from a particular start point
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[+] [-] mhitza|1 year ago|reply
Skyscanner does this pretty well.
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[+] [-] bojangleslover|1 year ago|reply
Helps you really know what you're paying for.
https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/flyontime/mjhocoppe...
[+] [-] Ilasky|1 year ago|reply
I’m fairly flexible on dates, but getting the best price for it is a super iterative process. Having some similar functionality like excel’s solve function would be awesome to find optimal dates within a range for each destination.
[+] [-] traceroute66|1 year ago|reply
I spent many a happy hour <2020 on ITA Matrix. It was well worth learning as a tool back then despite its terse interface and tricky syntax.
But these days? The sorts of clever tricks you could do before are no longer viable for the reasons I outlined at the top, i.e. connections no longer exist and/or the price is no longer attractive.
And before anyone tries to tell me otherwise, my experience is bang up to date. What I said above is based on 2024 experience.
[+] [-] snakeyjake|1 year ago|reply
But today fares are the lowest they've been in the history of aviation, except for during COVID which should never be factored into trends.
Inflation-adjusted averages for fares, both overall and on specific routes, for the last 30 years are here: https://www.bts.gov/air-fares
Even with fees and taxes airfare is the lowest it's ever been.
Internationally the difference is even greater than the halving of US domestic ticket prices over the last 30 years.
The tricks no longer work because the bottom has been reached and there are no more pennies to pinch.
If one buys a ticket today, right now, for next month one can fly from DC to LA for $98-- round trip. Then they will complain about paying $30 for a bag....
I can fly first class from New York to Frankfurt for less than what an economy class ticket cost when I was visiting my Oma in the 80s and 90s and that's NOT adjusted for inflation.
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[+] [-] mmsc|1 year ago|reply
I've probably been on around 250 flights in the past 7 years in Europe and I can't remember one time that it was cheaper to book directly than through some third party. Sometimes it's the same price to book direct, but it doesn't matter either way: the support you're going to get is the same, and the insurance or whatever depends on... exactly whatever you've paid for already.
[+] [-] returningfory2|1 year ago|reply
I think this is not true. In my limited experience, if you book a flight through a third party or even a code share agreement, you don’t get full access to the flying airline’s UI and things like changing your flight or dealing with cancellations are a real hassle.
Just last week I had an issue where I had booked an Iberia code share flight through American Airlines, but then Iberia bumped me from the flight onto an AA flight. Of course, both Iberia and AA support initially claimed it wasn’t their problem and that I needed to contact the other airline.
Maybe in Europe it’s not as much a problem because (1) modifiable flight tickets aren’t as common and (2) passenger rights in the case of delay and cancellations are stronger.
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I did some extreme budget flying as a youth and you might just get stranded at a random airport so you better be very flexible with your plans. If it’s inside the US maybe you’re fine to rent a car or take a bus or something but if you happened to layover in UAE or something then it gets trickier
[+] [-] nomilk|1 year ago|reply
[1] https://travel.stackexchange.com/a/26833/100794
[+] [-] nomilk|1 year ago|reply
It's no-nonsense, easy to filter by number of stops, and 'date grid' is great for scoping out savings by departing a day or two earlier/later without having open multiple tabs as other sites necessitate.
Only criticisms are extremely mild ones: it defaults to 'return', doesn't remember your currency, and bizarrely defaults to a month ahead for the departure date (actually, they must have very recently fixed this because it doesn't do that anymore!)
[1] https://www.google.com/travel/flights
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[+] [-] lxgr|1 year ago|reply
There are considerable caveats when doing that – it's generally not advisable for connecting flights (you're essentially on the hook for missed connections etc.), and even just for separate outbound and return tickets it can mean trouble (e.g. if the outbound flight is cancelled, there is no obligation for the separate ticket to be refunded to you).
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