Brainfuck Enterprise Solutions

[jfktrey]

Love this. Years ago I hand-wired a CPU that natively executes Brainfuck code: https://youtube.com/watch?v=q8G2fWprwyo

Might have to test some of these :)

[benreesman]

Stuff like this is a breath of fresh air: real hacker vibes. The best memes (like all the best hacker stuff) are high-effort, somewhere between kinda funny and outright satire, technically nontrivial, and delivered deadpan.

Top kek.

[davedx]

I feel like “what is idiomatic brainfuck” is a deeply philosophical question striking right to the heart of our craft…

[samsk]

BF is slightly hard to read, more like a well written Perl.

IMHO any solid enteprise should use Ook! or similar substitution - power of Perl, with verbosity of COBOL !

https://esolangs.org/wiki/Ook!

[brian-armstrong]

Wow, would love to adopt this on our infra! Just one teensy problem - legal's a bit worried about the name. Would you consider renaming BF? Maybe Brainfriend?

[debugnik]

The usual censor for it is b****fuck, that should do it.

[SOLAR_FIELDS]

Of course this post is written in jest but fck-nat is useful enough that adult organizations adopt it despite the name, as an actual example of “profane but useful software that jumps over the wall of corporate use”. It helps that the specific use case it’s built for is something you usually only run into when you have corporate level spend on AWS

[paulmooreparks]

You could use my (rather silly) extension called "pbrain," which adds procedures to brainfuck.

https://parkscomputing.com/page/pbrain

In hindsight, I think it's aptly named.

(EDIT: Gosh, I really need to update the .NET compiler to .NET 8.)

[master_crab]

Maybe BE. Brain Excellence.

Also, do you have a PowerPoint explaining how to setup a Center of Excellence?

[tpoacher]

There is a language called brainfudge which is effectively an alias of brainfuck for this exact reason

you'll find lots of "brainfudge" interpreters on github

[giancarlostoro]

Reminds me of how theres a Buttplug project that has what is considered the fastest bluetooth open source library. Problem is people cannot use it because importing “Buttplug IO” or whatever raises some eyebrows. Theres even been attempts at using it in DoD projects.

[InDubioProRubio]

Far be it from programmargamers to name things, just to annoy legal and other cruft layers. Now onwards to the new Bloat meeting (its the new scrum), where we produce spam-tickets and increase productivity by sacrificing hours to nil-meetings.

[righthand]

Let’s hope not.

[avodonosov]

I like the name choice of the CPU from this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41622325

[Exoristos]

Brain-fsck.

[Duwensatzaj]

May I suggest Squick instead?

[rguiscard]

Maybe brainfried?

[wiz21c]

bullfit ?

[Pannoniae]

How about bellyfuck? or brainfart?

[karlzt]

Imagine changing Python's name, that doesn't make sense, and as you said, it's a very small problem that should be ignored.

[bob1029]

Brainfuck is largely a joke for most developers, but in certain kinds of research it is taken very seriously due to its ease of implementation.

I think this is probably the most interesting paper involving it:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2406.19108

> In this paper we take a step towards understanding how self-replicators arise by studying several computational substrates based on various simple programming languages and machine instruction sets.

[Vegenoid]

There’s a good episode of the Mindscape podcast (hosted by Sean Carroll) interviewing one of the authors (Blaise Agüera y Arcas) about the paper:

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/podcast/2024/08/19/286-...

[IncreasePosts]

Who in their right mind would choose brainfuck for enterprise solutions, over befunge?

[thenewwazoo]

You can't discount the need to keep your hiring pipeline full to replace the people whose RSUs have cliffed.

Befunge, like Rust, is impossible to hire for, so nobody uses it, which means nobody has experience, which means it's impossible to hire for, so it's a bad idea to use it. BrainFuck has been around for decades and its problems can be avoided by just hiring sufficiently-talented developers.

[ur-whale]

True.

Befunge has real lofty ideals, not just a miser goal of being hard to parse by humans:

> Befunge, with the goal of being as difficult to compile as possible

[LorenDB]

Honestly, the smart enterprises are using Malbolge.

[Duanemclemore]

This is excellent for my needs! My company needs to migrate from INTERCAL and now I am convinced that Brainfuck is perfect for the job!

[basementcat]

You mean your company needs to COME FROM Intercal?

[int_19h]

I've had much success integrating Brainfuck in a legacy C++ codebase. As the team adopts modern idiomatic C++ patterns and practices, we found Brainfuck via https://github.com/tfc/cpp_template_meta_brainfuck_interpret... to be a natural and seamless fit for C++ template metaprogramming.

[nxobject]

Buyer beware – as a a legacy mainframe user of INTERCAL (IBM VM/370), steer cleer of mainframe migration services that promise migration from INTERCAL to BF on commodity cloud on a fixed time scale – they use AI tools but don't do robust testing. Much better to stay on IBM but write new modules in enterprise z/INTERCAL, even if it's not the best developer environment.

[emersonrsantos]

I miss this from the Internet early times. The Church of the SubGenius, IOCCC, Phrack Magazine, The Tao of Programming, ...

[trentnix]

After visiting the link I was surprised to find out this wasn’t about SharePoint.

[UnpossibleJim]

We are committed to keeping the Brainfuck community healthy -- best sentence ever

[spacebacon]

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[mikestew]

Somebody didn’t read the style guide, especially 1.1.2.

https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/bf.style

[cdchn]

If we can get a FIPS 140 certified crypto library then it'll be truly "Enterprise Grade."

[Retr0id]

We're half way there: https://gist.github.com/rqu1/e4770cd8bd60706384c7c1b79f010a8...

[declan_roberts]

Like a joke that's just gone on a little too long.

[arethuza]

The "enterprise solutions" part?

[anta40]

https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/os.bf/blob/master...

An entire OS in 252 lines. I wonder how many CPU architectures supported by this OS

:D

[avodonosov]

Thanks to the "write once run anywhere" philosophy of the language, and the design choices in the OS (e.g. containerization), it is easely porable to any CPU.

Safe bet for enterprise users.

[lifthrasiir]

One of obvious hindsights here is to use the extension `.bf` instead of `.b`, which was previously suggested by daniel b cristofani, a prolific Brainfuck programmer [1]. `.bf` is also used for Befunge and `.b` removes any such confusion.

[1] https://brainfuck.org/brainfuck.html

[Jerrrrrrry]

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[ur-whale]

Their stack doesn't seem to include an LLVM BrainFuck backend.

This shortcoming is clearly a non-starter for any serious enterprise BF implementation.

[fermigier]

Never been much into BF nor esoteric languages in general, but I love this attitude!

Regarding the comments at the top of https://github.com/bf-enterprise-solutions/ed.bf : I believe a modern-day developer comparable to Ken Thompson might be Fabrice Bellard, WDYT? Any other names that pop to mind?

[beretguy]

Finally I can migrate away from Java.

[coobird]

(Shameless plug) With Brainfuccuccino[1], you can embed your brainfuck programs right into Java, so you get the "best" of both worlds ;-)

[1] https://github.com/coobird/brainfuccuccino

[xyst]

brainfuck is truly the language of the gods

[Jerrrrrrry]

posting codegolf'd brainfuck on stackexchange was a pivotable moment in my life

i was zen

[pragma_x]

If you mean "inscrutable to mere mortals and drives one to madness when heard aloud", then yes. Yes it is.