[eporomaa]

>If anything, the dutch have a cycling problem.

I disagree, I don't see how less cycling or more cars would be better?

> ...ALSO have the highest road density in Europe for cars

It is the densest non-micro state in the world, would that not explain the road density?

You cannot protect a cyclist in a car collision using a helmet, the solution is separate infra?

Other than that you have positive outcomes of increased general health.

[soomerons]

off course you can. And it's been proven over and over. Are you really trying to argue that wearing a helmet is not safer than not wearing one?

Not all car and cyclist collisions are high speed, big impacts, in fact, statistically speaking, most of them in the netherlands are slow speed knocks, cyclist, get bumped, when a car tries to squeeze by, and the cyclist falls and hits their head on the concrete or whatever else is close by.

And then there are all the cyclist against cyclist collisions, someone gets knocked off, and smacks their head against the curb.

But I guess the dutch way of saying "we are dutch and are born on a bicycle and know how to cycle", (and they really actually don't), is easier to say than, looking at the actual stats, and seeing they are wrong.

[aqme28]

What stats are you referring to? The Netherlands has one of the lowest per-km cyclist fatality rates in the world, at least with 2009 numbers[1]. Would be interested to see if that has changed.

[1]: https://blogs-images.forbes.com/niallmccarthy/files/2015/02/...

They also have decently good numbers for traffic fatalities in general: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_traffic-r...