[screcth]

Do you think that Pakistanis don't know already that their country is poorly run and that their politicians are corrupt and incompetent?

It's pretty condescending to expect a lecture from a foreign government official to be well received and to tell them something they don't already know.

[flanked-evergl]

> Do you think that Pakistanis don't know already that their country is poorly run and that their politicians are corrupt and incompetent?

Given that the trajectory has not changed, I think they don't care to fix it. South Africans also know their government is corrupt, and they consciously vote for it. Whether this is similar in Pakistan I don't know, but clearly if they cared to change trajectory it would not get worse all the time.

[pas]

Look at Hungary. It's pretty well documented, as the cuckoo in the big EU nest.

It's economy is stagnating (of course, because of all the legalized corruption and nepotism, the ruling elite meddling in everything, misuse of EU funds, and the usual), and we have very good data about this. We can even have a nice "natural experiment", because Hungary joined the EU in 2004, then the current regime was voted to power in 2010 with 68% of seats (by 2.7M ppl, 52% of voters)

and then again in 2014 (2.2M ppl, 45%), 2018 (2.8M ppl, 49%), 2022 (3M ppl, 54%). Every time with 67-68% of the seats.

Very methodically people were very nicely brainwashed. After 14 years in government with "absolute majority" around 3M people still think that bad things are bad because of the mystical others. Due to the Russian full-scale invasion of Ukraine we now have a live action 1984 black comedy where "war is peace" is basically the state motto.

[acdha]

Don’t care, or can’t? Here in the U.S. we have a high chance that the presidential race will be won by a convicted felon who tried to falsify the last election he lost and encouraged a violent attempt to change the results, shielded by a series of blatantly political court decisions, so I'm not sure we have much standing to criticize other countries’ governance.