Jonathan is eminently reasonable. He just wants everyone to get along. He’s no more an evangelist for Rust than Linus is, who, you'll recall, is trying to make it work also.
LWN never once mentioned any blogs or opinions from kernel developers or otherwise unless they were in support of Rust. There has also never been an article highlighting the very real challenges not only with Rust but also the attempt to integrate it into the Linux kernel project. Scroll the home page for recent articles and it's pretty evident where the bias exists.
Meanwhile, The Register[3] cited at least Drew DeVault among others:
> LWN never once mentioned any blogs or opinions from kernel developers or otherwise unless they were in support of Rust.
Others please visit the links and see for yourself.
It's bare coverage. A few sentences when something notable happens. What do they say? Re: 1, it's a few nice sentences about Wedson after he leaves. Re: 2, it's one sentence and quote from a kernel dev.
Moreover, are we seriously trying to work the refs, as if LWN is NBC or Fox News, in this dispute? If you know of something interesting said be anti-Rust persons within the Linux kernel community, just share it with us. No reason it needs to be intermediated by LWN.
> Meanwhile, The Register[3] cited at least Drew DeVault among others:
AFAIK Drew Devault isn't a Linux kernel developer?
And re: 3, this blog post is like Drew's other blog posts. It is, excuse me, unthoughtful and incurious. Like all of Drew's writing, it is an Epistemic Closure Express to "Another Drew hobby horse". This time it was "Drew doesn't like Rust again." Is it any wonder someone else didn't want to include his bad writing for what?... Balance?
I think it's perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Rust in the Linux kernel. I'm sure there are many well qualified devs with interesting, learned views on the subject. Drew is not a such a person.
I have written reams about how Drew makes poor arguments. If you're curious, or don't think my case is well made here, you can my other comments re: Drew:
rc00|1 year ago
1. Rust-for-Linux developer Wedson Almeida Filho drops out - https://lwn.net/Articles/987635/
2. Airlie: On Rust, Linux, developers, maintainers - https://lwn.net/Articles/987849/
LWN never once mentioned any blogs or opinions from kernel developers or otherwise unless they were in support of Rust. There has also never been an article highlighting the very real challenges not only with Rust but also the attempt to integrate it into the Linux kernel project. Scroll the home page for recent articles and it's pretty evident where the bias exists.
Meanwhile, The Register[3] cited at least Drew DeVault among others:
3. https://www.theregister.com/2024/09/02/rust_for_linux_mainta...
Yes, The Register wrote a more balanced article on the topic than LWN.
> He’s no more an evangelist for Rust than Linus is
Linus does not have a personal website where he is only publishing positive articles about Rust.
mustache_kimono|1 year ago
Others please visit the links and see for yourself.
It's bare coverage. A few sentences when something notable happens. What do they say? Re: 1, it's a few nice sentences about Wedson after he leaves. Re: 2, it's one sentence and quote from a kernel dev.
Moreover, are we seriously trying to work the refs, as if LWN is NBC or Fox News, in this dispute? If you know of something interesting said be anti-Rust persons within the Linux kernel community, just share it with us. No reason it needs to be intermediated by LWN.
> Meanwhile, The Register[3] cited at least Drew DeVault among others:
AFAIK Drew Devault isn't a Linux kernel developer?
And re: 3, this blog post is like Drew's other blog posts. It is, excuse me, unthoughtful and incurious. Like all of Drew's writing, it is an Epistemic Closure Express to "Another Drew hobby horse". This time it was "Drew doesn't like Rust again." Is it any wonder someone else didn't want to include his bad writing for what?... Balance?
I think it's perfectly reasonable to have doubts about Rust in the Linux kernel. I'm sure there are many well qualified devs with interesting, learned views on the subject. Drew is not a such a person.
I have written reams about how Drew makes poor arguments. If you're curious, or don't think my case is well made here, you can my other comments re: Drew:
[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41404644 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41409049
dralley|1 year ago
Drew DeVault is not anti-Rust-in-the-linux-kernel.