[discretion22]

> It is hard for me to articulate how much peps like this reinforce my desire to never start another python project

I completely understand this sentiment. Recent python events have made me wonder if there are some people intent on sabotaging the management of the language.

I loved the incremental improvements and thoughtful process involved up until a couple of years ago but it feels like python will become brittle and break badly if things continue the way they are. It feels like the adults have been driven out the room when it comes to stewardship. I'm not sure how recoverable the situation is.

[nightpool]

As someone who doesn't follow the language, which recent events are you referring to?

[carapace]

It wasn't recent by Internet time but when the debate on walrus operator drove out the BDFL that was the obvious break. Python has been circling the drain ever since. A lot of motion, yes, but to what end?

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Oh! How could I forget!? The creeps actually banned Tim Peters!

[behnamoh]

Using "|" to merge dictionaries (which was possible in other ways before) instead of offering pipes as in bash and Elixir (a feature that's actually useful).

[Narhem]

I feel like as a scripting language Python excels. Glad to have this PEP, but it would be more pythonic have except be optional.

The reason I pick up Python for projects is because it grows with the application; opportunities to add typing etc. Who knows maybe in a few years Python will enforce all the types and it will be as verbose as Java. Personally I’d like to see how they handle declaring a method or function throws exceptions.

Pretty narly we have compiled Python apps with poetry, it’s starting to punch out of its weight class.