[indiebat]

Heroin changes brain chemically, it's (more) serious addiction than obesity, again being a little insensitive to obese people, but they're bad in comparison. And there are degrees of truthfulness & wrongness right!

About the point you're making, two generations before you and me, people where fit, more attentive & generally healthy (outside vaccines that prevent diseases now & positive effects due to advancements in medicine), what changed?

Not as platitude, but go from first principles, the choices you make everyday effects your mind (& the time you spend on particular activities), and if they aren't life affirming (for lack of better words), in due time you limit your options (ie less choices from your mind, bad food or less bad food or multiple bad ways to spend your time?), till you proclaim from high top mountains 'oh god, I'm helpless without acceptance from some higher power!'

This isn't to say, I'll be as preachy and asshole(ish) to a friend or someone I care about in similar need, I'll probably say 'seek medical help etc' like you. But thinking things through & arriving at truth is important, don't you think?

This is different to mental strength or controlling yourself etc, it's more about self reflection & freedom through discipline, respecting your life, decisions & thoughts more than your impulsive emotions in an ever distracting world, that kind of thing..

I don't think I'll change your mind or this will come across in good faith, that's okay, I'm in a reflective mood, and it's awfully chilly outside :-)

[pixl97]

>About the point you're making, two generations before you and me, people where fit, more attentive & generally healthy

Everything.

Two generations ago you didn't eat out 4+ times per week. Portion sizes at restaurants were 50%+ smaller. Food sciences were not as optimized at making junk food as they are today. In general we were poorer and bought less junk food. We were more apt to work jobs that didn't involve sitting in one place for long periods of time.

>I don't think I'll change your mind or this will come across in good faith

I believe it's what you think, but when 74% of the population doesn't subscribe your philosophy then you're tilting at windmills. Yea, maybe someday people will catch on to that and all will be good, but that's not the way the entire world is going. We need solutions we can enact now to solve problems we have now.

[soulbadguy]

> About the point you're making, 2 generations before you and me, people where fit, more attentive & generally healthy (outside vaccines that prevent diseases now & positive effects due to advancements in medicine), what changed?

Air pollution, water quality, pestecide, food/produce quality, plastic particule everywhere...

I find this perspective so bizarre.

Whats the most probable in 2 generation of exponentially increasing and barely regulated technological changes : culture has change so dramatically as to change human nature and makes us all lazy... or... something in the environment/food chain is having phisiolical/biological effects...

[indiebat]

People living in country side & eating from organic farming, they're doing alright (similar to our closest ancestors), but that's beside the point

Cultural change over 2/3 even 10 generations will not significantly alter your biology. Pollution & disintegration in modern world you're referring to, they do have negative effects on our health, but it's not the whole story and they possibly cannot have effects on your decisions about what you eat and how you spend your time right?

I'm particularly referring to obesity caused by over eating, bad life style etc (not the other rare serious persistent irreversible kind that happens as side effect of more serious ailments or genetics)