[FragmentShader]

> This isn't 2010 any more.

I've used Linux Desktop for 2 years in 2018 for IT studies, it was mandatory. We were like 20 students and there was a new Linux-related complaint, timewaste and workaround every day. Nobody got their degree and thought "Y'know what? i'm gonna use linux at home!"

I still use Linux for servers nowadays, though.

> If you're doing any dev work at all native linux will cause way less headaches than WSL/mingw or whatever.

I use visual studio and I don't dev for linux, so I don't have this problem.

> Even the old folks in my family are all using linux these days because everything they do is in a browser and it's easier for them than windows.

If all you do is use a web browser, you might as well just use a chromebook.

> That and microsoft constantly changing things out from under you and reverting settings

My settings are never touched, but I agree they sometimes change stuff in a way that bothers me. Like, removing file explorer functionality in W11 and remaking it months later. But they usually make up for it by adding other cool features. Such as native (but slow) unzipping, file explorer tabs, power toys and so on.

[soraminazuki]

Yes, Microsoft will not touch your settings if you haven't disabled all the anti-features they force upon users.

For the rest of us, they are relentless. They won't take no for an answer. They won't hesitate to take their users' precious time as hostage. During each update, they coerce users to enable their numerous spyware with full screen nags riddled with dark patterns. They revert explicit opt-outs. They remove user choice altogether if things don't go their way. This has been reported in the media so many times. You can't just pretend that this hasn't happened.

When is enough enough? Windows bombards you with ads, installs junkware users never asked for, forces you to use Edge, collects keyboard input, records your screen, and outright steals your email. On top of that, their UX is far worse than it was 2 decades ago.

In contrast, desktop Linux has improved dramatically. Unzipping and file browser tabs? They've been around since forever. They're only cool new features on Windows.

[consteval]

> I use visual studio

That's not a solution. Visual Studio isn't portable, it's very close to worthless software. You can use VS, my company does too. But the baggage you take with it is pretty extreme. And now we're still maintaining COM stuff (sigh...)

> If all you do is use a web browser, you might as well just use a chromebook

Ironically, chromebooks have a full Linux environment and you can install graphical applications and whatnot. Also they run android apps.

> Such as native (but slow) unzipping, file explorer tabs, power toys and so on

Those are "neat" features, but IMO Windows 11 is still not a good desktop environment. KDE has significantly more features, is much more customizable, and also much more consistent in look and feel. Windows USED to at least be polished. Now there's 3 different setting apps and also Computer Management exists and none of them even look like they belong on the same system.

[AyyEye]

> cool features. Such as native (but slow) unzipping, file explorer tabs

Linux circa 2005. I will admit that the file explorer ads are a nice feature. Maybe one day ubuntu will figure out how to do this.

[amaccuish]

> If all you do is use a web browser, you might as well just use a chromebook.

Which is Linux.

[bigfatkitten]

Linux without the shitty aspects of having to use desktop Linux.

The only downside is how firmly it is wedded to Google's cloud ecosystem.

[FragmentShader]

We know MacOS is Unix. We know Linux server runs most of the internet. We know Android is Linux. Thanks for your input.

We were obviously talking about the classic Linux Desktop distros, and based on the whole conversation you should know that. If ChromeOS and Android were categorized as Linux distros, then nobody would hate/love Linux Desktop per se.