The line is very long and blurry the whole way. The extremes are completely naked 100% of the time with zero grooming and the opposite is eugenics or genetic engineering body/facial features (is what i've come to believe?).
Isn't it okay to feel good about looking good, sure (i love dressing up and doing my hair for occasions)! but obviously that can turn very problematic very fast. Honestly, I wish I knew where to draw the line in the sand. Is it makeup? piercings? nice clothes? surgery?
Just a parent with two daughters who has more questions than answers.
What we did was draw the line at anything that might close a door in life they may prefer remain open.
Messing with hair in our youth is fun and it grows back. No worries.
Modest piercings society does not frown on.
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No tattoos and especially none on the face, hands, etc...
We had boys and girls and it went OK. Not too much complaining and when they became adults, we handed them the keys and wished them well and help where and how we can.
Maybe our experiences help with understanding yours.
Makeup is a personal preference. What OP talked about is subtly and transparently putting AI in a pipeline where we don't expect it. And it's not hypothetical, rather it already happens. Video meeting software is doing all kinds of sound rejection based on an unknown set of rules, even though none of us enabled that as a feature.
It took me a couple of years to notice the "beautify" filter on my samsung S7 as I only ever activated the screen side camera by accident. When I did eventually use it a bit, I subconsciously knew something was off but assumed it was just spec differences between the two sensors and lenses, but then I noticed the "eyeball star twinkle" and realised what was up.
On closer inspection it turns out it was actually smoothing my hair and boosting the contrast so I looked like I had dyed "highlights", along with airbrushing my cheeks a flat orangey coloured skin tone with a rosy center, as if I were wearing foundation and blusher!
I fundamentally agree with you, but I wanted to mention the most common reaction I've got from women when discussing this topic: women mostly don't put on makeup for the benefit of men. It has more to do with societal expectation, setting social status with other women, and very often that they like that it's a mask.
It’s fine if you don’t want to wear makeup, but it’s not your business if other people want to. Your statement seems to assume they are doing it for your benefit specifically, or mistakenly in general, which is not the case- you are being condescending telling people not to do something but you are the one misunderstanding why they are doing it.
I don't think it was. And I agree: make up is like putting a mask on to hide who you really are because society taught you that you are more valuable this way.
People might think they do this for themselves, but it has been put into their mind by media and adverts.
This is not healthy and also wasted resources.
I think the only case where a woman's use of makeup can be considered fake is when she lies about using it.
Otherwise, it is just another way humans choose to dress their external appearance for their own pleasure, fulfilment and social intentions. It's not as if it's hard to tell when someone is wearing makeup - that is, at least when you're close enough to be able to inspect their imperfections at all.
It seems to me that this idea about makeup being 'fake' stems from heteronormative dating, where a man may feel he is unable to properly assess a woman's beauty (and her attractiveness to him) if her face has been changed in arbitrary ways. But personally, I don't think we should optimize all human encounters for dating efficiency. More broadly, there is no social contract which stipulates you must wield your natural appearance at all times. I think we need not add more social expectations to an already long list.
Guys who equate stopping to spend 30+ minutes a day painting your face with stopping to shower are part of the problem.
It's exactly those unnatural expectations of looks that are put on women, starting at a really young age, that are the issue here. Not boys, just girls. It skews expectations and boom, everybody feels like they have to do it. It's very sad. I'm not saying don't shower, don't cut or even brush your hair, etc. All fine. But the full-on makeup you see walking through a random city in the morning, geez, what are we doing to ourselves. And what are the guys doing? Nothing close to it, but spend a lot of time justifying it.
irjustin|1 year ago
Isn't it okay to feel good about looking good, sure (i love dressing up and doing my hair for occasions)! but obviously that can turn very problematic very fast. Honestly, I wish I knew where to draw the line in the sand. Is it makeup? piercings? nice clothes? surgery?
Just a parent with two daughters who has more questions than answers.
ddingus|1 year ago
Messing with hair in our youth is fun and it grows back. No worries.
Modest piercings society does not frown on. . No tattoos and especially none on the face, hands, etc...
We had boys and girls and it went OK. Not too much complaining and when they became adults, we handed them the keys and wished them well and help where and how we can.
Maybe our experiences help with understanding yours.
InDubioProRubio|1 year ago
exitb|1 year ago
tomooot|1 year ago
On closer inspection it turns out it was actually smoothing my hair and boosting the contrast so I looked like I had dyed "highlights", along with airbrushing my cheeks a flat orangey coloured skin tone with a rosy center, as if I were wearing foundation and blusher!
beeflet|1 year ago
It's optional on discord. Besides, it's conceivable that you might create a similar effect with a nice audio hardware setup
JohnFen|1 year ago
UniverseHacker|1 year ago
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sadcherry|1 year ago
DidYaWipe|1 year ago
HeatrayEnjoyer|1 year ago
master-lincoln|1 year ago
botanical76|1 year ago
Otherwise, it is just another way humans choose to dress their external appearance for their own pleasure, fulfilment and social intentions. It's not as if it's hard to tell when someone is wearing makeup - that is, at least when you're close enough to be able to inspect their imperfections at all.
It seems to me that this idea about makeup being 'fake' stems from heteronormative dating, where a man may feel he is unable to properly assess a woman's beauty (and her attractiveness to him) if her face has been changed in arbitrary ways. But personally, I don't think we should optimize all human encounters for dating efficiency. More broadly, there is no social contract which stipulates you must wield your natural appearance at all times. I think we need not add more social expectations to an already long list.
sadcherry|1 year ago
ndndjdjdn|1 year ago
master-lincoln|1 year ago
sadcherry|1 year ago
It's exactly those unnatural expectations of looks that are put on women, starting at a really young age, that are the issue here. Not boys, just girls. It skews expectations and boom, everybody feels like they have to do it. It's very sad. I'm not saying don't shower, don't cut or even brush your hair, etc. All fine. But the full-on makeup you see walking through a random city in the morning, geez, what are we doing to ourselves. And what are the guys doing? Nothing close to it, but spend a lot of time justifying it.
jujube3|1 year ago