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Shaanie | 1 year ago

But then you have X money tied up in some presumably illiquid art with questionable value. Seems better to just invest the X money from the start.

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theshrike79|1 year ago

Art is like Schrödinger's cat, its value is only determined when it changes owner.

If someone pays 1M€ for a piece of art, it is "valued at $1M" and you can use it for collateral for a loan at some percentage of its valuation.

Will it actually be 1M€ if it needs to be liquidated? Nobody knows. It can be worthless or it can be worth 10M€ - it all depends on what the next person is willing to pay for it. But until that point it's "worth" 1M€.

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This is why there are so many empty (commercial) properties, they were valued at a specific €/m2 price and were used to take loans based on that value.

Until they're rented/leased again, that is their worth and value. Could the owner get someone in the property by lowering the price? Definitely.

Would that also cause a rolling cascade of loans not having enough collateral to back them up? Yup.

ThinkBeat|1 year ago

but then you do not get the tax benefits discussed above.

The market for "investment art" I huge and everyone involved has an upside by art appreciating in value.

> The artist may get more money (since the artist only gets paid in the initial transaction the artist may only get a fraction of the value as it increases. The artist may find that later work will become more valuable as other investors want more of his art.

>The gallery gets more money, and it may attract more art investors

> and the auction house gets more money if it ends up there.

How much art is worth is difficult to estimate on its own. I mean a white canvas painted uniformly white is worh a lot of money if a famous artist does it.

It is worth entirely nothing if I do it.

I expect then that the market decides the value. All investors want art to get more valuable and are in on it.

As an art lover, this is such a tragic scheme. Unknown amount of art that will never been seen by the public. Locked up inside a storage facility in a big box Often the investor has no interest in the art at all, just an investment made by some form of a broker.