+1, but I'm not sure if the "simple is robust" saying is straightforward enough? It opens up to discussion about what "simple" means and how it applies to the system (which apparently is a complex enough question to warrant the attention of the brilliant Rich Hickey).
Maybe "dumb is robust" or "straightforward is robust" capture the sentiment better?
The usual metric is complexity, but that can be hard to measure in every instance.
Used within a team setting, what is simple is entirely subjective to that set of experiences.
Example: Redis is dead simple, but it's also an additional service. Depending on the team, the problem, and the scale, it might be best to use your existing RDBMS. A different set of circumstances may make Redis the best choice.
Note: I love "dumb is robust," as it ties simplicity and straightforwardness together, but I'm concerned it may carry an unnecessarily negative connotation to both the problems and the team.
Indeed, simple is not a good word to qualify something technical. I have a colleague and if he comes up with something new and simple it usually takes me down a rabbit hole of mind bending and head shaking. A matter of personal perspective?
Is my code simple if all it does is call one function (that's 50k lines long) hidden away in a dependency?
You can keep twisting this question until you realize that without the behemoths of complexity that are modern operating systems (let alone CPUs), we wouldn't be able to afford the privilege to write "simple" code. And that no code is ever "simple", and if it is it just means that you're sitting on an adequate abstraction layer.
So we're back at square one. Abstraction is how you simplify things. Programming languages themselves are abstractions. Everything in this discipline is an abstraction over binary logic. If you end up with a mess of spaghetti, you simply chose the wrong abstractions, which led to counter-productive usage patterns.
My goal as someone who writes library code is to produce a framework that's simple to use for the end user (another developer). That means I'm hiding TONS of complexity within the walls of the infrastructure. But the result is simple-looking code.
Think about DI in C#, it's all done via reflection. Is that simple? It depends on who you ask, is it the user or the library maintainer who needs to parametrize an untyped generic with 5 different type arguments?
Obviously, when all one does is write business logic, these considerations fall short. There's no point in writing elegant, modular, simple code if there's no one downstream to use it. Might as well just focus on ease of readability and maintainability at that point, while you wait for the project to become legacy and die. But that's just one particular case where you're essentially an end user from the perspective of everyone who wrote the code you're depending on.
directevolve|1 year ago
As a biomedical engineer who primarily writes software, it’s fun to consider analogies with evolution.
Copy/pasting and tweaking boilerplate is like protein-coding DNA that was copied and mutated in our evolutionary history.
Dealing with messy edge cases at a higher level is like alternative splicing of mRNA.
jumploops|1 year ago
Used within a team setting, what is simple is entirely subjective to that set of experiences.
Example: Redis is dead simple, but it's also an additional service. Depending on the team, the problem, and the scale, it might be best to use your existing RDBMS. A different set of circumstances may make Redis the best choice.
Note: I love "dumb is robust," as it ties simplicity and straightforwardness together, but I'm concerned it may carry an unnecessarily negative connotation to both the problems and the team.
Simple isn't necessarily dumb.
soco|1 year ago
seb1204|1 year ago
Vampiero|1 year ago
You can keep twisting this question until you realize that without the behemoths of complexity that are modern operating systems (let alone CPUs), we wouldn't be able to afford the privilege to write "simple" code. And that no code is ever "simple", and if it is it just means that you're sitting on an adequate abstraction layer.
So we're back at square one. Abstraction is how you simplify things. Programming languages themselves are abstractions. Everything in this discipline is an abstraction over binary logic. If you end up with a mess of spaghetti, you simply chose the wrong abstractions, which led to counter-productive usage patterns.
My goal as someone who writes library code is to produce a framework that's simple to use for the end user (another developer). That means I'm hiding TONS of complexity within the walls of the infrastructure. But the result is simple-looking code.
Think about DI in C#, it's all done via reflection. Is that simple? It depends on who you ask, is it the user or the library maintainer who needs to parametrize an untyped generic with 5 different type arguments?
Obviously, when all one does is write business logic, these considerations fall short. There's no point in writing elegant, modular, simple code if there's no one downstream to use it. Might as well just focus on ease of readability and maintainability at that point, while you wait for the project to become legacy and die. But that's just one particular case where you're essentially an end user from the perspective of everyone who wrote the code you're depending on.