[lurking15]

It's an outrage once you work at these companies and behold the sheer dysfunction and they're all getting paid wages native American citizens would take.

[busterarm]

It's also an outrage how much leverage companies have over their H1B employees (especially from India, etc).

If you have any long-term H1B coworkers from less-favored nations, I guarantee you there's a heartbreaking story they have to tell you if you ask.

I work with a super high-performing guy with a Masters degree who has been at my company for 15 years and gets treated super poorly by the company. He still is probably 10 years away from getting a naturalization interview and has no hope of switching jobs in the meantime (and has children that are citizens...).

[lovich]

If they have direct family members that are citizens they should skip the wait apply through the family path, although they would need to be on good terms with said family member as they have to vouch for their welfare payments for 10 years

At least it that way about a decade ago, as I’m realizing things might have changed since then

[astrange]

The model that Americans would take any job if the wages were high enough is simple but obviously false. For manual labor there's no amount of money you could pay Americans to be farmworkers. For desk jobs there's no amount that'll overcome Americans' cultural belief that you can't do math unless you were born as a special sort of person who is "good at math".

[ryandrake]

> For manual labor there's no amount of money you could pay Americans to be farmworkers.

If you don't think Americans are willing to pick fruits and vegetables, go find a farmer, have him put a sign at the edge of his property that says "Free fruits and vegetables, you pick them yourself" and watch how quickly the field is emptied.

[mantas]

1 million/year? There’s definitely an amount that’d allow to find enough workers locally. The other question is how much would the produce cost and how many people would be willing to pay.

[johnnyanmac]

>For manual labor there's no amount of money you could pay Americans to be farmworkers.

In this market? Throw me a hoe tell me where to dig. I just need to pay rent.

[lurking15]

I'm not sure how this applies to what I said.

[bsder]

> For manual labor there's no amount of money you could pay Americans to be farmworkers.

Ever worked a blast furnace? Or a coal mine?

You absolutely can pay enough money to get Americans to do really shitty manual labor.

[mythrwy]

If I could make what I make in tech picking fruits I'd be tempted to switch to be honest. At least for awhile. I'm sick of sitting in a chair.

[iwontberude]

100% on your last sentence. There is a massive misplacement of ego in our fellow countrymen that loves to posture as an arbiter of morality and rationality, but has no pomp left over for their individual upward mobility. Very very bizarre and self defeating.

[kristjansson]

You wildly underestimate American avarice.

[CapstanRoller]

Please don't troll.