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martinko | 1 year ago

The Ukrainian people do not want further or deeper ties with Russia, period. Your regurgitation of Russian talking points just shows that you have no idea what you are talking about.

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missedthecue|1 year ago

The actual problem here is that Ukrainian people are not a monolith. People in certain regions undeniably do want to be part of Russia, or at least have deeper ties.

This is not a Russian talking point. Authorities in Kyiv flat out concede this problematic dilemma.

whoknowsidont|1 year ago

>People in certain regions undeniably do want to be part of Russia

They most definitely do not lol.

martinko|1 year ago

Yeah, great. In reality, if you as anyone in basically all of Ukraine (except for 'little green men' and the odd lover of soviet times), you get a clear message about how they've preferred a westward cultural and economic trajectory, and that ever since the war (or Crimea, depends on who you're asking), Russia is the enemy.

> Authorities in Kyiv flat out concede this problematic dilemma.

Im sorry, but lol.

lovegrenoble|1 year ago

Feb. 4, 2014: Amid rioting on the Maidan in Kiev, YouTube carries Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s last minute instructions to U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt regarding the U.S. pick for new Ukrainian prime minister, Arseniy Yatsenyuk (aka “Yats”) and other plans for the imminent coup d’etat in Kiev. When Pyatt expresses concern about EU misgivings about mounting a coup, Nuland says “Fuck the EU.” She then apologizes to the EU a day or two later — for the profanity, not for the coup. She also says that Vice President Joe Biden will help “glue this thing together”, meaning the coup.