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spywaregorilla | 1 year ago

It's better to not gamble your retirement on the assumption that your company will be solvent in 40 years. That's not really antagonistic in any way.

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toomuchtodo|1 year ago

You require the company to fund a pension held at a custodian. If the company goes bust, your pension benefits are not impacted. Importantly, the retirement contributions are on top of your wages, versus being expected to find the cash for retirement exposure out of your own wages such that a 401k requires.

Australia's system is a model: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superannuation_in_Australia

spywaregorilla|1 year ago

The pension funds are protected, but that does not mean anything close to your promised benefit is available for you to receive. It also creates a recurring liability that the company is on the hook for. This has historically worked out to cases where employees must either get a partial payout from available funds and tank the loss, or have the company fold and everyone gets laid off.

Pensions are a better deal until they catastrophically fail.

MajimasEyepatch|1 year ago

Employers match employee contributions to a 401(k), so it's not purely out of one's own wages. In this case, Boeing is matching up to 12% of the employee's income, which is very high.

Manuel_D|1 year ago

This is no silver bullet. If the pension custodian assumed retirees would live to 75 on average and they start living until 90 then it's going to have a problem.

AnotherGoodName|1 year ago

Superannuation is very very similar to the 401k honestly. I remember when Australia brought in superannuation system and the biggest pushback was that it was blatantly a move to the us system (we had government pensions in the 90s). The tax treatment isn’t that different since 401k contributions aren’t taxed like income either. I work for an employer that pays 15% 401k contributions on top of salary. The main difference is that employers aren’t required to pay 401k contributions and I think that would be the better point to make.